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  • Mount Marshall 1/26/2013

    Started at the trailhead about 7:00 A.M. Two couple were starting their hikes around the same time. One couple was skiing and said their goal was Cliff from Flowed Lands if broken out (as a side note, I've heard this ascent route is nice and will be my route when I attempt Cliff). The other couple, Rich and Tori, were aiming for Skylight and Grey with the possibility of doing Marshall as well.

    The hike to Flowed Lands went less smoothly than expected. Less than 1/4 mile in, I started experiencing pain on the top of my feet. I attributed it to the sock liners I had on and went back to the car to quickly remove them. Then about a mile in, my camelback hose froze because I did not blow hard enough to clear all the water out. I removed the bladder from my pack and put it under my softshell to thaw out. The hose was thawed in 15 minutes and I was back in business. About two miles in, I ran into Rich and Tori, stopped with a snowshoe problem. The rivets attaching the binding to Rich's snowshoe had broken off. I gave him some zip ties and continued on. We ended up crossing paths a few more times before the flowed lands and I found out they were bailing on S&G and just going for Marshall.

    The hike across the ice at the Flowed Lands was chilly and beautiful. I saw tracks heading to Cliff, which would make the other couple happy. The herd path up Herbert Brook was well defined, thanks to all the previous hikers over the last week. It's quite nice hiking up the open brook. There was plenty of snow up there. Following the tracks made me realize my mistake in my failed attempt last last year (http://www.adkhighpeaks.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=16693). I reached the summit with Rich and Tori a little after 11. We got some nice views of the Santinonis, Colden, and Marcy. After about 15 minutes, we started to get chilly and made our way back down.

    The hike to the HB lean-to went smoothly. About a third of the way down, we ran into a group coming up. Tori later told me that Andrew Lavigne was in the group. If I would have known that, I would have thanked him and offered him a beer afterward. He has helped me through many of my journeys in the high peaks through his website.

    After crossing the Flowed Lands, the trip back to the car turned into a crawl. The foot pain I had experienced earlier came back with a vengeance. By the time I got back to the car, I was practically limping. The boots I have are relatively new. What I find strange is that this problem did not exist on two previous hikes, one of which was Dix and Hough with snowshoes on the whole time.

    Besides the foot pain and a couple small equipment issues, the hike was great. Total trip time was 8 hrs 8 minutes.

    --On a side note - Rich and Tori found the bottom half of a pole at the summit of Marshall. They carried it out and left it by the register at the trailhead.
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    Thanks for the TR! Sounds like a very enjoyable trip despite the gear-related nuisances.

    Theory: It's possible that your new boots were a bit stiffer initially and did a better job of protecting your instep from the pressure of the snowshoe binding. After being softened up by a few hikes, they may provide slightly less resistance to the binding strap and allow it to be felt a bit more by your foot. Maybe.

    FWIW, snowshoe bindings have a way of inflicting pain unexpectedly. This is the third winter for my boots and, three hikes ago, the instep of my right foot developed a pain as a result of the pressure inflicted by the middle binding strap (MSR Evo Ascent). I loosened the strap as much as possible but, by the time I felt the pain, the damage was done and the instep was very tender (directly where a vein crosses over the tendon of the big toe).

    For the following hike, I taped some padding to my foot on the sensitive spot. On subsequent hikes, I omitted the foam and suffered no problems. Go figure. I now carry a thin sheet of foam to serve as padding in case it happens again. Padded moleskin might serve equally well. I hope your situation is an equally temporary anomaly.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Trail Boss View Post
      Thanks for the TR! Sounds like a very enjoyable trip despite the gear-related nuisances.

      Theory: It's possible that your new boots were a bit stiffer initially and did a better job of protecting your instep from the pressure of the snowshoe binding. After being softened up by a few hikes, they may provide slightly less resistance to the binding strap and allow it to be felt a bit more by your foot. Maybe.

      FWIW, snowshoe bindings have a way of inflicting pain unexpectedly. This is the third winter for my boots and, three hikes ago, the instep of my right foot developed a pain as a result of the pressure inflicted by the middle binding strap (MSR Evo Ascent). I loosened the strap as much as possible but, by the time I felt the pain, the damage was done and the instep was very tender (directly where a vein crosses over the tendon of the big toe).

      For the following hike, I taped some padding to my foot on the sensitive spot. On subsequent hikes, I omitted the foam and suffered no problems. Go figure. I now carry a thin sheet of foam to serve as padding in case it happens again. Padded moleskin might serve equally well. I hope your situation is an equally temporary anomaly.
      Thanks for the information. I have the same snowshoes. By the end of the hike, I had the first two straps practically undone, but there was still pressure and the pain remained. Is it possible my boots shrunk? It seemed as though the toe box didn't have as much volume as before.

      Whatever it is, I pray I can get it resolved. I have an odd shaped foot which makes finding shoes that fit almost impossible. Before this trip, these boots were the first boots ever to virtually eliminate all the previous problems I've had with boots (blistering, loss of toenails, etc).
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      • #4
        too much sock

        thicker socks / liners may have taken up too much room in boots.
        Less sock / room to wiggle toes = happy feet.
        Bindings, always very careful as to boot placement in bindings and how much preasure.
        Sounds like good adventure and made some friends along the way

        MG " found the magic beans "

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        • #5
          Congrats on getting Marshall! I wondered today how you made out. Sorry to hear about the foot troubles though...Do you have any type of custom footbed in them whether orthodics or a "superfeet" type? Strange that you didn't have trouble before though. Could be anything, feet a little swollen, colder temps etc.

          Regardless, I would highly recommend some kind of custom-type insole, might help stabilize the foot a bit if you aren't already using one. Probably won't help in this situation, but may prevent other issues down the line.
          -veggielasagna

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mastergrasshopper View Post
            thicker socks / liners may have taken up too much room in boots.
            Less sock / room to wiggle toes = happy feet.
            Bindings, always very careful as to boot placement in bindings and how much preasure.
            Sounds like good adventure and made some friends along the way

            MG " found the magic beans "
            I wore the same socks as the previous two trips.

            Originally posted by veggielasagna View Post
            Congrats on getting Marshall! I wondered today how you made out. Sorry to hear about the foot troubles though...Do you have any type of custom footbed in them whether orthodics or a "superfeet" type? Strange that you didn't have trouble before though. Could be anything, feet a little swollen, colder temps etc.

            Regardless, I would highly recommend some kind of custom-type insole, might help stabilize the foot a bit if you aren't already using one. Probably won't help in this situation, but may prevent other issues down the line.
            Thanks! The going was smooth and easy. The actual herdpath was like a highway compared to our previous route

            Yes, I use Superfeet orange. I am puzzled by the foot pain. I'm hoping it was just a fluke.
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            • #7
              Re: Foot pain... I wear AETREX orhotics in my boots and they have made an huge difference in any foot pain I've ever had! I purchase them at the Merrell outlet store down by the Great Escape theme park. Seriously amazing difference.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bubba74 View Post
                I wore the same socks as the previous two trips.



                Thanks! The going was smooth and easy. The actual herdpath was like a highway compared to our previous route

                Yes, I use Superfeet orange. I am puzzled by the foot pain. I'm hoping it was just a fluke.
                Hmm, hopefully it was just a fluke then with the "perfect storm" of variables all coming together on one day . Who knows, it may not happen again.

                So what's next on the list!?
                -veggielasagna

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by veggielasagna View Post
                  So what's next on the list!?
                  Well, my next trip will probably be Feb 9th. As far as what I'm hiking? Hmmm, the possibilities are endless . I might be aiming at Cliff from Flowed Lands and Redfield, or the Santanonies, or maybe East, South and Macomb.....
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                  • #10
                    Nice TR. Thats my pole-half haha. Forgot to include that in my report. Didn't even connect the "snap" I heard on the summit with any personal possessions until I was halfway down and looking for a little support. Glad someone cleaned up my mess.
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                    I'm always gonna wanna make it move
                    Always gonna be an uphill battle
                    Sometimes I'm gonna have to lose
                    Ain't about how fast I get there
                    Ain't about what's waitin' on the other side...
                    It's the climb
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bubba74 View Post
                      their goal was Cliff from Flowed Lands if broken out (as a side note, I've heard this ascent route is nice and will be my route when I attempt Cliff).

                      is this a different route than the normal herd path

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ticehouse View Post
                        is this a different route than the normal herd path
                        Yes. The normal route starts by the uphill lean to. This route is shorter and, from what I've read, quite nice.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bubba74 View Post
                          [...] The hike to the HB lean-to went smoothly. About a third of the way down, we ran into a group coming up. Tori later told me that Andrew Lavigne was in the group. If I would have known that, I would have thanked him and offered him a beer afterward. He has helped me through many of my journeys in the high peaks through his website. [...]
                          Hi there. Yes, that was me. Thanks for the kind words, and I'm glad you've found my writings useful. Sorry to hear about your foot issues! That was the first time I've followed the "proper" herdpath all the way to the top. Practically a four-lane hiker highway by trailless peak standards!

                          BTW, if you or anyone is interested, here's my writeup of our [great] day climbing Marshall:

                          http://alavigne.net/Outdoors/ImageGa...1-26-Marshall/
                          Andrew Lavigne
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by alavigne View Post
                            That was the first time I've followed the "proper" herdpath all the way to the top. Practically a four-lane hiker highway by trailless peak standards!

                            BTW, if you or anyone is interested, here's my writeup of our [great] day climbing Marshall:http://alavigne.net/Outdoors/ImageGa...1-26-Marshall/
                            Yes, that herdpath was wide and easy to follow, unlike my previous attempt up Marshall .

                            I read your writeup, thanks for the trail report. Awesome photos as usual. I think I may be attempting Cliff from Flowed Lands next depending on snow cover. Guess whose GPS track I will have loaded?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bubba74 View Post
                              Yes, that herdpath was wide and easy to follow, unlike my previous attempt up Marshall .

                              I read your writeup, thanks for the trail report. Awesome photos as usual. I think I may be attempting Cliff from Flowed Lands next depending on snow cover. Guess whose GPS track I will have loaded?
                              Good ol' Cliff. As you no doubt have seen, I've done that route a few times. I think the last tracklog I have (the one from 2009) has the best routing.

                              ...Andrew
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