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  • randomscooter
    Livin' the dream
    • Sep 2005
    • 3587

    #1

    Robert Marshall 14 peak hike

    My plan for the day was to walk the Robert Marshall 14 peak hike, only in reverse. I wouldn't rush at all, the plan was to watch the sunrise on Mt Jo Friday morning, walk the intervening 12 high peaks, then finish on Big Slide in time for sunrise Saturday morning. Marshall had walked the distance in 19 hours, and I figured 24 would be enough for me. Although I'd walked, and run, several similar hikes as recently as three years ago, this would be the first hike of this category since then. So I knew there was a possibility I wouldn't be able to go the distance. But more so than finish the hike I was anxious to find out if I was even still interested in doing these kinds of strenuous days in the mountains. Additionally, I wanted to see if my knee had really recovered from the injury I incurred back in April, and which had sidelined me completely for 2 months before I was able to resume hiking.

    Good fortune shined upon me Thursday when Mark Lowell dropped in to say hi between hikes. When my plan came up in the conversation he volunteered to play the role of Herb Clark for me, which meant he would lug a good lunch and additional supplies up to Marcy and meet me there mid-hike. What a guy!! Mark would only hike with me for the first hour or two, then only briefly after leaving Marcy, but like me he wanted to end his day down in Keene Valley. So, Thursday evening Mark, Jane, and I took three vehicles down to the Roostercomb trailhead, and Jane shuttled us back home for a good night's sleep.

    Friday morning Jane dropped us off at the Loj gatehouse at 5:23am, and sans headlamps in the early morning darkness Mark and I picked our way up Mt Jo's short trail. We topped out at 5:55am so see the bright glow of the sun hidden behind Cascade Mtn. With plenty of time for slacking, we slid out of our packs and took front row seats. The day couldn't have been better. Sunrise is not a lingering event, and one must be there watching when it happens. On this day the orb grew from the first sliver to full circle seemingly in only a minute, and at 6:11am, based on some previous discussion of atmospheric refraction, we declared the day had officially begun.

    Down the long trail and back to the Loj, we made some adjustments and were on our way towards Marcy Dam at 7:10am. At the MacIntyre junction Mark continued on towards Marcy Dam, and I began my first long solo leg. We had agreed that it would be good to leave Marcy summit by 4pm, so I told Mark I would do my best to meet him there around 3:15-3:30pm. The agreement was that whoever was first to the summit would wait until around 5:30 then would head out alone, assuming the other had bailed out. The 5:30 time was chosen because that was the latest that I could arrive on Marcy and still be within my self-imposed 24 hour pace to reach Big Slide by sunrise.

    Heading for the MacIntyres I set a measured pace, knowing I had plenty of time as long as I didnt' rush and burn out. I was concerned I might have trouble with this mode, but was relieved to find that I was quite comfortable. The first person I saw on the MacIntyre Range was on the summit of Wright as I reached there at 8:50am. Under other circumstances I would've wanted to sit and enjoy the summit for a few minutes, but with a long day ahead and subjected to the affects of a cooling breeze, I turned and retreated down to the junction. There I spoke for 10 minutes or so with a woman whose plan for the day was to climb Wright, Algonquin, Iroqouis, and Colden. She was a bit uncertain, but after she told me one of her other recent long days (Marcy, Gray, Skylight, Marcy, Tabletop, Phelps) I assured her she was well within her abilities to make the day's hike.

    At this point I decided to keep the breaks fairly short until I reached Colden Dam, so I walked over the top of Algonquin at 9:54am, across to Iroquois at 10:21am, then down to the lake. I'd not been on this trail for over 33 years and was anxious to see it, basically for the first time. On this dry day it was a great trail, but in wet weather I could see that it might be troublesome, as it follows the brookbed over significant portions. I monitored my knee carefully during this long and rocky descent, and was thrilled that it never made a peep of a complaint.

    Reaching Colden Dam at 11:49am I made my first of two sock changes for the day. For a footwear strategy I had opted for non-waterproof trailrunners with Schoeller low gaitors. As a backup in case I took a plunge into a mudhole along the way I had goretex socks in my pack, along with 4 changes of smartwools. But on this day so far I had managed to stay relatively dry, even on the trip over to Iroquois. The worst offender had been the wet foliage soaking my shorts and dripping down my legs, and the socks were damp enough to justify a change, but the shoes weren't so wet as to justify using the goretex socks.

    From Colden I headed up the Opalescent to Uphill leanto, trying but failing to get a peek at the leanto itself as I went by, and continued on to the junction at the base of Feldspar Brook. I made a quick stop here, dropping my pack just long enough to get a snack from a back pocket, slipped back into the pack and munched down the bar. Amazingly, during this brief (2 minutes?) period someone had caught up from behind and they startled me with a loud and deep-voiced greeting. It was Mark! He had actually been sitting at the Uphill leanto when I'd walked by, the only place in his entire day where I might've passed him without being seen. So, I guess I didn't have to worry about leaving Mark waiting on the Marcy summit too long!

    Together we headed up the long hill to Lake Tear, stopping for several minutes along the way at a trusted water source to refill our bottles. Up to this point I'd used about 2-2.5 liters. Continuing on we met several hikers in the Lake Tear area, including some sitting around at the base of the Gray path, and some on the Skylight trail. At four corners Mark and I headed up Skylight, making the ascent in about 18 minutes and summitting at 2:25pm.

    Back down to four corners we relaxed for a few minutes before heading up Marcy. Climbing steadily we reached the summit at 3:28pm, then found and sat down with the summit steward (we knew she would be sitting in the "warm spot"). At this point Mark passed along all the stuff he'd been carrying for me. Mostly it was food, the only exception was my large headlamp, since I figured I wouldn't need it until after Marcy sometime. I considered giving him my water filter (about 22oz) but decided there was still a remote chance that I'd need it. We both slipped on outerwear for the breaktime, as the summit breeze was quite chilling and the temps were cool. During our half-hour stay on the summit a guy in a kilt showed up at the summit. It was of course the inimitable Pete Fish. Mark asked "How many is this?" and Pete replied "Today is 600". Amazing!

    (continued)
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  • randomscooter
    Livin' the dream
    • Sep 2005
    • 3587

    #2
    Robert Marshall Hike (continued)

    At 4:00pm were headed off Marcy, reaching the junction with the Phelps Trail at 4:13pm. Here Mark and I departed, I asked him to pass along to Jane my message "Spirits are high, anticipating mission success!", and I dropped down the Phelps Trail while Mark's plan was to continue on VanHo to the Hopkins Trail then down that route to Keene Valley. Before long I was at the Range connector trail junction, and found two guys there. They too were headed for Haystack. For them it would be their very first high peak...what a choice for #1!!! They'd hiked into Slant Rock, made camp, and wanted to climb Haystack before calling it a day. Continuing on steadily I reached Haystack at 5:24pm, turned back, and was just popping up onto the top of Little Haystack again when I met the twosome. They were doing fine, and we exchanged some final greetings and well wishes before parting.

    Back at the junction near Little Haystack, I started wondering just how to handle the next few peaks. At first I thought I should hurry to be sure I'd get over Basin and Saddleback in daylight, but then I came to my senses, realizing I would be risking a burnout if I pushed. Best to set a steady pace and let my body tell me if I should stop. I was equipped to night hike the Range and I shouldn't worry about it. So, with that thought in mind I set off down to the Snowbird Brook, where I topped off my water bladder (1.5liters) and continued. Basin has always been more difficult for me than I thought it "should be", so on this day I was careful to take my time and not let it get under my skin. When I reached the summit at 6:53pm the scene sent me back to January 28th of this year, when I had stood at this spot and celebrated with my wonderful friends Doreen and Arlene as they completed their winter 46er round. That had been my only other high peak ascent this year before today.

    With plenty of daylight, and my body still feeling very strong, I continued on to Saddleback, confident now that I could summit before dark without rushing. Upon reaching Saddleback at 7:35, I decided to continue down to the S'back/Gothics col before taking a break for dinner, getting out the night gear, etc.

    Looking back I can now see that the cliffs, both going down Basin and of course back up Saddleback, were the beginning of the turning point of the hike. It was then that I started wondering if maybe I was getting too old for this, but on the other hand I had to admit that considering how little training I'd done this year I was holding up quite well. I certainly had had a beautiful and fulfilling day to this point. So as I sat at the col eating a turkey sandwich, watching horizon's shadow slowly rising up the face of Gothics as the sun set off in the west, listening to the winds still blowing steadily up on the summit, and feeling the chill of the evening air penetrating my clothing, the doubts began to consolidate and work against me. Two major factors were pushing me towards continuing on over Gothics - first, I was familiar with night hiking the lower Range and second I absolutely hate the Orebed Brook trail off the mountain. But all the other factors were pushing the other way. It is difficult to recapture all the factors that contributed to the decision, and it would be easy to say in retrospect that I made the wrong choice. Perhaps I should've taken a one or two hour nap before making the decision, who knows.

    But somewhere during that break I decided that I'd had enough for the day. Oh, I knew the day wasn't over by a long stretch, but I knew it would be best to finish the day by making the long night walk down the mountain and out rather than continuing along the Range.So, down I headed. Although I always have hated the Orebed Trail, all my other encounters now seem like a cakewalk compared to this nighttime descent. Oh my! But I don't care to relive all the details, so I'll just say that finally, at 9:45pm, I reached the JBL. Considering the relative ease of the trail from here out the report should be pretty much over, and at that time I was thinking "okay, now the hike is pretty much over." Not so. It'd been a long day, I was still not feeling any particular physical problems, but somewhere early in this final stretch my legs decided they were no longer going to listen to my brain. I think essentially my body had decided that "hell, if the brain's not going to tell me to get some sleep, I'm just going to do it without my brain's blessing." If anybody had watched me for long they'd have sworn I was on a major bender walking, no weaving, my way down that trail. My only choice was to just go slowly, ever so slowly, and tell myself over and over that "it doesn't matter, you'll get there sometime." And I did. At 11:30pm I reached the Garden. Of course my vehicle was at the Roostercomb trailhead, and there wasn't exactly a lot of traffic at that time of day, so after a 45 minute road walk I finally ended my hike at 12:15am.

    Despite not going the distance with the original plan I did still manage to do 9 peaks, including 8 high peaks, a 28 mile distance, with 10,000' ascent and 11,200' descent, in just under 19 hours. More importantly, I answered some of the other questions that had been on my mind. Yes, I still love the long hikes, but maybe I'll adjust my start time such that most of the rugged portions are done in daylight. Yes, my knee is doing fine. Yes, although I've spent much of my recent hiking time away from the high peaks, there's still no other place like them.
    Last edited by randomscooter; 08-13-2006, 05:20 PM.
    Scooting here and there
    Through the woods and up the peaks
    Random Scoots awaits (DP)


    Eat, sleep, hike, repeat.

    It doesn't have to be viewtiful to be beautiful. (NL)

    "Pushing the limits of easy."

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    • mastergrasshopper
      Commander
      • Feb 2006
      • 2053

      #3
      It's not over yet

      Hey thanks for sharing.I've asked a few of those questions myself this year after minor knee problem from when I removed the tail gate of my truck and wacked my knee.I've had some family/work issues and so training and climbing time has become more precious.Even reading your report gave me a thrill to feel the cold breeze and take those long walks hope the body decides to get in line with the brain.Hope to see you out there.
      Mastergrasshopper The mountains are medicine for both the old body and feeble mind not to mention the soul.

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      • randomscooter
        Livin' the dream
        • Sep 2005
        • 3587

        #4
        an unfortunate side note

        As I started along the herdpath towards Iroquois I was quite pleasantly surprised that the foliage was dry. I had been worried that I might get soaked on this section of the trip. At first I attributed it to the drying affects of the winds, then when I saw boot tracks I decided the fellows I had met nearing the summit of Algonquin as I was starting down must have done Iroquois first. Strangely, after I passed Boundary the foliage became soaking wet and I quickly was dripping water down my legs into my socks. Also the footprints stopped. My thought was that those poor hikers had THOUGHT they reached Iroquois when they only reached Boundary. Now I have learned that a hiker died on Boundary Thursday and was airlifted off early Friday morning (Mark and I both had seen the helicoptor activity earlier in the morning, and Mark had also seen a hurried ranger down below at Avalanche Pass). So now the dry foliage/wet foliage mystery seems more likely tied to that unfortunate event.

        My heartfelt condolences to family and friends of the deceased.
        Scooting here and there
        Through the woods and up the peaks
        Random Scoots awaits (DP)


        Eat, sleep, hike, repeat.

        It doesn't have to be viewtiful to be beautiful. (NL)

        "Pushing the limits of easy."

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        • Rik
          Village Idiot
          • Apr 2005
          • 3740

          #5
          Nice report. Thanks. Very sad about the hiker on Boundary.
          I have interest in doing this hike so it was great to read about your trip. A couple of questions. Besides starting earlier is there anything else you would have done differently? And how did you choose the direction you went?
          This post is for entertainment purposes only.

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          • Neil
            Administrator
            • Apr 2005
            • 11964

            #6
            Excellent TR Tom! Sounds like you made the right decision allthough Orebed in the dark must have been some fun!

            I am sure that with appropriate and (at our age) very dedicated training, hikes such as the full monty you had planned are still possible into our 60's and beyond.

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            • randomscooter
              Livin' the dream
              • Sep 2005
              • 3587

              #7
              Originally posted by Rik
              Nice report. Thanks. Very sad about the hiker on Boundary.
              I have interest in doing this hike so it was great to read about your trip. A couple of questions. Besides starting earlier is there anything else you would have done differently? And how did you choose the direction you went?
              First, I plan on attempting a similar hike again this summer, and perhaps again in early autumn. So I am already asking myself all these questions and am interested in getting inputs from others.

              I have done the full Range several times, and also a handful of times I have attempted dayhikes which combined the full Range with a number of other peaks. This is NOT a particularly difficult thing for someone who is in condition, familiar with the trails, comfortable with night hiking in rugged terrain, etc. In each of my attempts I have made small mistakes, or had bad luck, that caused me to fall short.

              Attempt 1: From Roostercomb trailhead to Loj, 15 peak itinerary - LWJ, UWJ, Armstrong, Gothics, Sawteeth, S'back, Basin, Haystack, Marcy, Skylight, Gray, Colden, Iroqouis, Algonquin, Wright. It was late September and opportunities were running short for the year, so I took a chance on a marginal weather day. Started at midnight. The rain started on Gothics and continued thorughout the day. I completed 12 peaks, Colden the last, and was actually still on plan, but going down to the lake was treacherous and destroyed my enthusiasm; also I felt it was suicidal to climb onto the MacIntyre Range at that point in that weather, so I bailed through Avalanche Pass.

              Attempt 2: Reversed the direction, with the exception that I still did Skylight before Gray. Started 6:30am. The advantage (perhaps) is that there is more descent than ascent. This would vary from person to person. I made the first 11 peaks (Gothics the last), but had run out of food and was unable to continue. Should've used a bigger pack. Food is extremely important (at least to me) when the hike gets this long. I bailed down the the Lower Lake, not even bothering to make the sidetrip to Sawteeth, but then returned the next day at the same time I had bailed and completed the hike during darkness.

              Attempt 3: (Friday's hike). A similar hike, but since I wanted to duplicate Marshall's route, only in reverse, I left off Colden, Gray, and Sawteeth, and I added Big Slide. My goal was to reach Big Slide summit before sunrise because I wanted to join Timmus' celebration. My body held up remarkably well, and my split times were actually very similar to earlier attempts when I was in better shape, but since I was not conditioned for longer hikes I was unable to fend off the sleep deprivation problems. My abort decision was influenced by that, and I believe it was the correct decision. I wouldn't have wanted to be staggering across the Range, although I could've chosen to take one or more naps. My next attempt will include changes that will address this issue. First, I will return to the original 15 peak itinerary because the driver of finishing on Big Slide is no longer a factor. Second, I will leave the Loj at latest 3am so that I will be starting the Iroqouis segment of the hike at first light. Friday I left the Loj at 7:10am. The 4 hour shift will allow time to include Colden, Gray, and Sawteeth in the itinerary. I may even try to start at midnight so that the end of the hike might be all in daylight.

              And Neil, I agree completely that there is no reason a 60 year old cannot do hikes like this. Then again, I'm not anywhere near THAT milestone so how would I know? What I DO know is that there is much truth to the old adage that you're only as old as you think you are.
              Scooting here and there
              Through the woods and up the peaks
              Random Scoots awaits (DP)


              Eat, sleep, hike, repeat.

              It doesn't have to be viewtiful to be beautiful. (NL)

              "Pushing the limits of easy."

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              • Rik
                Village Idiot
                • Apr 2005
                • 3740

                #8
                Thanks for the response. One more if I may. How did you feel the next day?
                This post is for entertainment purposes only.

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                • Neil
                  Administrator
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 11964

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rik
                  How did you feel the next day?
                  That's an all important observation I believe for gauging one's fitness level. Obviously, just being able to hike that far and long indicates extraordinary endurance. But, the microdamage that ensues often dosn't hurt until the next day. The tougher one's muscles and tendons are the less microdamage and pain there will be.

                  Whenever I do a long hike I would guess I need at least 3 days of recovery before doing another long hike.

                  Edit: And I should add that I have never done anything of the scope that Tom is describing.
                  Last edited by Neil; 08-14-2006, 08:21 AM.

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                  • randomscooter
                    Livin' the dream
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 3587

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rik
                    Thanks for the response. One more if I may. How did you feel the next day?
                    Well, technically I finished on Saturday, at 12:15am. So, if by next day.....

                    Okay, I got home, took a shower, went to bed, and was the first one up Saturday morning, around 7:30. I was up all day, able to move about fine, but was initially stiff whenever I got up from a sitting position. I was pretty happy with all that. I had expected, or at least had prepared myself, for worse.

                    Sunday morning I was significantly better. Some lingering stiffness in my knee (the knee still has some slight range of motion reduction from the injury, but this hike didn't make it any worse). If I had promised to do a hike with someone on Sunday I could've. Well, a "normal" hike anyways. As it was I just took about a mile walk up the hill above the house to test things out.

                    Today (Monday) I believe I could go out and repeat Friday's hike. So I guess that means two rest days was adequate. Other than the sleep deprivation problems, I'd say the recovery time is probably the biggest difference between now and a few years ago. Back then overnight was adequate. For example back then I could've gotten up Saturday morning and hiked the Dix Range, then done the Sewards on Sunday. It's all about training. If you do a hike like this once a week for a month, you'll probably be able to do it two consecutive days, or at least say Friday then Sunday, after that.
                    Last edited by randomscooter; 08-14-2006, 08:37 AM.
                    Scooting here and there
                    Through the woods and up the peaks
                    Random Scoots awaits (DP)


                    Eat, sleep, hike, repeat.

                    It doesn't have to be viewtiful to be beautiful. (NL)

                    "Pushing the limits of easy."

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                    • randomscooter
                      Livin' the dream
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 3587

                      #11
                      some stuff you didn't ask for...

                      ...so ignore it if you've already got your own system worked out.

                      A few other things that are important, at least for me. Some folks will clearly disagree with one or more of them, but to me they are important.

                      1. Food. I already mentioned the importance of food. When I get out beyond 12 hours or so, it becomes critical that I have something other than trail snacks to keep me going. And if I KNOW in advance it going to be a long hike, I don't wait until after 12 hours to start eating "regular" food. On Friday I had a good breakfast (a 2 egg and cheese wrap and oj), and also had a 1 egg and cheese wrap near the summit of Algonquin, then again over on Iroquois. That was my breakfast. On Marcy I had a sizeable turkey/cheese sandwich. I had the same at the S'back/Gothics col. In addition to all those I had about 5 NV granola bars and 3 Snickers, and about 5oz of Hammergel. I probably should've had Mark carry me up some sort of nutritious drink for Marcy, perhaps Ensure or something along those lines. Water alone can leave me unsatisfied as the day gets well along, and sports drinks for me aren't an improvement. After Gothics I still had additional good stuff (such as chicken spread and tortilla wraps) along with an assortment of snacks similar to above, plus a full sleeve of crackers and 5oz of cheese for when I reached Big Slide. All in all it's a lot of food to carry. I was fortunate Mark hauled part of it, but if he hadn't been there to offer I would've brought the same amount and hauled it for myself.

                      2. Meds (loosely categorized). As a preventative meaure I take, on a 2 hour schedule starting from the beginning, a salt pill (SUCCEED) and 2 aspirin. I have had trouble in the past with leg cramps, and also with severe headaches, during these hikes. The salt has essentially eliminated, or at least greatly reduced, those problems. I also believe the salt helps reduce the body's need for water (i.e., replacing the water w/o replacing the lost salts isn't enough). I take the aspirin to reduce inflammation and prevent joint pains (primarily) from occurring, rather than taking it only after pains begin to appear. By then it's too late.

                      3. Baby the feet. Not just during the hike, but every day. If the feet go bad, the hike's over, period. I regularly use a pumice stone to smooth out callouses that inevitably appear, and I apply lotion to my feet daily to keep the skin smooth and softer. Softer doesn't necessarily mean weaker. I believe soft durable skin is much more resistant to the abuses of the trail than tough, hard, dry skin. And the rough callouses are often the starting point for blisters. As for during the hike, I apply Body Glide liberally around the areas of my feet that are most prone to problems, mainly on and between all my toes, and under the balls of my feet. And I reapply it at every sock change. It's been a long while since I had heel blister problems, but when I used to the Body Glide helped them as well. BG not only helps the toes to slide smoothly next to each other, but it also protects the skin from the dampness that inevitably creeps in.
                      Scooting here and there
                      Through the woods and up the peaks
                      Random Scoots awaits (DP)


                      Eat, sleep, hike, repeat.

                      It doesn't have to be viewtiful to be beautiful. (NL)

                      "Pushing the limits of easy."

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                      • adkdremn
                        Santanoni
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 1835

                        #12
                        I don't know that I'll ever be able to do a hike like this, but it sure has been enjoyable reading all this stuff! You sure ate good and being on top of those mountains in complete darkness, with just you and the stars must be other worldly! There was a good moon over the weekend which probablly offered you some pretty good night time views.
                        Shut your eyes and think of somewhere
                        Somewhere cold and caked in snow.......

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                        • Rik
                          Village Idiot
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 3740

                          #13
                          Thanks for all of the info Tom but it just leaves me with more questions. Is chaffing a problem for you and if so do you use body glide in other areas as well as your feet? After 16 miles or so my feet get sore, not blister sore but achy, is this a problem for you and how have you addressed it (I've gone through more boots than I can remember)? Could you talk more about training routines? And finally, if you make another attempt I would be happy, should it fit my schedule, to haul stuff for you or do part of the hike.
                          This post is for entertainment purposes only.

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                          • randomscooter
                            Livin' the dream
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 3587

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Rik
                            Thanks for all of the info Tom but it just leaves me with more questions. Is chaffing a problem for you and if so do you use body glide in other areas as well as your feet?
                            That's a good point, and the answer is yes, yes, yes!

                            Originally posted by rik
                            After 16 miles or so my feet get sore, not blister sore but achy, is this a problem for you and how have you addressed it (I've gone through more boots than I can remember)?
                            That has been a problem for me, but interestingly I think it's more of a problem on shorter hikes. Why? I'm not sure, but I think it's a head thing. I go into the long hikes knowing that I must pace myself, step lightly, place my feet carefully, etc, to maximize my odds for success. On shorter hikes, even regular full day hikes, I come out of the gate at full speed and beat myself up, including my feet. It might also be because I try to do the longer hikes on better days. If the feet stay nice and dry, and the trails aren't as slippery, the feet fare better. And I wear trail runners - lightweight, easier to stay light on the feet, better control of foot placement, etc. Just be sure they've got pretty stiff soles so you don't feel every pebble.

                            Originally posted by rik
                            Could you talk more about training routines?
                            I'm definitely NOT the one to ask about training routines. I have very little discipline for training. If it's not fun, or if I don't have a very specific goal that I'm dedicated to, I probably won't follow through.That's a reality I have learned to work with. I had started a routine back in the springtime before my knee injury. I had decided I was going to focus my energies training for a trail marathon in early September and back off on the hiking. But the injury changed all that, and since then training has been hit or miss. For example, when I was out in Rochester for a couple of weeks I ran a nice 4.7 mile loop 3 times each week, along with a couple of shorter runs. But since I've been home (3 weeks now?) I've only run once or twice and last week I hiked Little Santanoni(Tues) and Snowy(Wed), felt pretty good afterwards, and decided to do a long hike on Friday. That's it. I don't recommend my "method" at all.

                            Actually, when it comes down to it I don't think you have to be in all that great shape to do these long hikes. Maybe that's one of the reasons I like them. It's more of a head game. If you have the hunger for it, if you can compartmentalize the discomfort and (hopefully not too much) pain, it's just a matter of putting one foot in front of the other and having the discipline not to go too fast and burn out. Yes, there are considerations, such as the sleep deprivation issue. Use my last hike as an example. I did a long hike on Friday, got "beaten" by the sleep deprivation issue, but I had fun and want to do it again. The next time I'll still have fun and, unless I wait too long, I'll do better. Maybe my formula is to just do what's fun and keep doing it often enough so that you don't lose what was gained the previous time.

                            Not very good role model stuff, eh?

                            Originally posted by rik
                            And finally, if you make another attempt I would be happy, should it fit my schedule, to haul stuff for you or do part of the hike.
                            Sounds great to me!! Saturday I was wondering if things would've turned out differently if somebody had been either with me or at the very least waiting for me on top of Big Slide, perhaps with a sleeping bag and a thermos of hot coffee! It might've given me just the extra edge I needed to keep on going.
                            Scooting here and there
                            Through the woods and up the peaks
                            Random Scoots awaits (DP)


                            Eat, sleep, hike, repeat.

                            It doesn't have to be viewtiful to be beautiful. (NL)

                            "Pushing the limits of easy."

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