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  • FlyFishingandBeer
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    I might be a little dense for having to ask this again, but from an observation standpoint, what behavior would prompt an LEO/Ranger to ask a hiker to show his/her guiding license? Purely from an observation standpoint, what differentiates "guiding" from somebody who is simply an experienced hiker talking to his/her less experienced hiker friends?

    My father was a licensed guide in Alaska and I spent a few years as his practice client/assistant, so in terms of hunting/fishing, guiding behavior is pretty obvious (helluva way to spend one's teen years, and I'm forever grateful). I'm just not wrapping my head around what behavior would distinguish somebody as a hiking guide in the ADK where known routes are generally well-used and informal group leaders are pretty common.

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  • tcd
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    DEC Guide License Requirements:

    https://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/30969.html

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  • Dave Bourque
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    What are the requirements for having a license? I'm not asking what the qualifications are. Thanks.

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  • DSettahr
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    Yuri: When you are guiding, you're supposed to wear a special pin that you get when you obtain your guides license from the DEC. There's a photo of what such a pin looks like in this ADK Almanac article: https://www.adirondackalmanack.com/2...ack-guide.html

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  • Yury
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    What kind of pin is this?

  • NorthShore
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    In NY, a Guide is a person who offers services for hire, part or all of which includes directing, instructing or aiding another in fishing, hunting, camping, hiking, whitewater canoeing, whitewater rafting, or rock and ice climbing. All guides engaging in the business of guiding on all lands and waters of the state shall possess a license issued by the DEC.

    More: https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/legal_pr...guidesregs.pdf

  • NorthShore
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    Originally posted by MTVhike View Post
    Question: what prompted the ranger to ask for your license?
    I was wearing my guide pin (as we are supposed to do). He saw it and asked me if I was guiding, which I said yes, and then asked to see my license. This was at the register at the end of the hike. Personally I was very happy to be asked. I've seen ample evidence (online) of unlicensed guides working in NY, which does not sit well with me. Of course, if I wasn't wearing the pin the ranger wouldn't have known to ask.

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  • FlyFishingandBeer
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    What constitutes "guiding" vs. leading a group of friends, from an observation POV? Obviously if a person is seen passing out safety waivers or some authorization form that's a clear indicator, but what other behaviors can be differentiated from somebody who simply knows a route and is hiking with friends who do not?

  • TFR
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    Those people should be ticketed!

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  • DSettahr
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    Originally posted by TFR View Post
    This happens everywhere. The 'blame' lies with the creator of the lot.

    The problem is there are no lines or guidance. The first person parks wherever they see fit. (Or, there may be leftovers from the day before). They may park parallel or nose in. (The 'best' way depends on the geometry of the lot). The next person may try not to get too close to the other car(s). They might deliberately park far away. Then as the lot fills in, we end up with gaps that look like they could have easily been avoided. But probably not, without some sort of guidance. Even a sign like 'PARK NOSE IN' would help. I've seen 1 lot with hand drawn markings on where to park, which seems to work.
    My comment was mostly in jest, but FWIW: I live in close proximity to a High Peaks trailhead parking lot that has clearly delineated parking spots. It's been a regular source of entertainment to observe just how badly visitors still manage to mess it up. On any given day there's about a 30-40% chance that there's at least 1 person parallel parked on the side of the lot, occupying two or more spots that are clearly signed as pull in spots.

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  • DSettahr
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    Originally posted by MTVhike View Post
    Question: what prompted the ranger to ask for your license?
    You are required to show your guiding license to a ranger if they observe you guiding and ask to see it. It's the same as with a hunting or fishing license- it's the norm to expect that rangers will ask to see it.

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  • MTVhike
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    Question: what prompted the ranger to ask for your license?

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  • NorthShore
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    Thanks Tony and all who replied to my question of 10/10. So here's a summary (a lot of which I already knew. The question was about the state of the bridge):
    • The gate on Elk Lake Road is closed as of 10/12. It won't reopen for public vehicular access until next spring.
    • You can still access Elk Lake Rd on foot until October 22. At that point it will be closed to all public access for the duration of the fall hunting season.
    • The bridge in Marcy Swamp has been repaired to a standard satisfactory to most of us, but the DEC bulletins do not reflect that realty.
    Addendum
    My clients didn't want to do the extra road walking so we switched up the plan and instead hiked from the Loj and camped at Lake Colden Friday and Saturday nights. This worked out very well as it was a rainy weekend and the crowds stayed away. Saw hardly anyone until hiking out on Sunday. Avalanche Lake and Lake Colden are special places to see in inclement weather. The Marshall plane wreck in the rain and fog was very cool. Pete Simmons led a pretty remarkable life after that crash. Also noticed and checked out a new herd path in the area that I hear the DEC isn't especially happy about. I'd describe it in more detail, but no.

    Footnote
    I was asked by a ranger to see my guide license which I happily produced. Any of you who are properly licensed guides should be encouraged by this.

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  • TFR
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    Originally posted by DSettahr View Post

    However, the northern-most lot is fairly small- it can hold maybe about 20+ cars or so. (The exact number varies considerably, the High Peaks crowd it turns out is really, really bad at parking in a manner conducive to fitting the most cars possible into a trailhead parking lot).
    This happens everywhere. The 'blame' lies with the creator of the lot.

    The problem is there are no lines or guidance. The first person parks wherever they see fit. (Or, there may be leftovers from the day before). They may park parallel or nose in. (The 'best' way depends on the geometry of the lot). The next person may try not to get too close to the other car(s). They might deliberately park far away. Then as the lot fills in, we end up with gaps that look like they could have easily been avoided. But probably not, without some sort of guidance. Even a sign like 'PARK NOSE IN' would help. I've seen 1 lot with hand drawn markings on where to park, which seems to work.

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  • DSettahr
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    The northern-most lot will re-open for parking in the spring. Elk Lake is closed to all public access every Autumn some time in October after Columbus Day for hunting season (the exact date varies). Once hunting season finishes in early December, foot traffic is again permitted for the remainder of winter, but the road is not plowed beyond Clear Pond and so all hikers must park at the middle lot (erroneously named as the "Upper" lot by the DEC). Once the snow has melted in the spring and mud season has concluded, the gate at Clear Pond is re-opened and motor vehicles are once again allowed to the northernmost lot right at the trailhead (usually sometime in mid- to late May).

    However, the northern-most lot is fairly small- it can hold maybe about 20+ cars or so. (The exact number varies considerably, the High Peaks crowd it turns out is really, really bad at parking in a manner conducive to fitting the most cars possible into a trailhead parking lot). When the road to the northern-most is open, no overflow parking is permitted on the roadside- so any late comers must park at the lot by Clear Pond and walk the 2 miles in to the trailhead. When hiking the Dix Range in the summer or early Autumn season, a super early arrival at the trailhead is strongly recommended (even on weekdays).

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