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  • The Cliff Mt Slide

    Neil among a few others have expressed considerable interest in slide climbing and there have been a few questions raised about the slide on Cliff. As some of you know I have been going through the slides scanning them and I just came across this batch. So as a public ( dis ) service I uploaded the pics of the slide.
    http://www.kodakgallery.com/BrowsePh...01_97653318309

    You can find this puppy by following the old Sanford Lake-Marcy yellow marked trail from Uphill lean-to about a half mile. It is about two miles down this trail before you reach the state land boundry. You have to descend almost to the bottom of the decline from the height of land in the col near the lean-to. There are a few pics taken from the trail of the slide but there is a short crashing through the undergrowth to get to it.

    Near the top of the slide hang to the right as the cliff is rather formidable. There was a herd path of sorts leading up from the upper right of the slide above the cliffs to the official herd path.

    Though the Sanford Lake trail is long abandoned it should not be hard to find. It was almost a twin to the Bradley Pond Trail real ugly, wide and muddy. If you can't locate it I'd seriously reconsider any bushwhacking

  • #2
    Originally posted by Antlerpeak
    You can find this puppy by following the old Sanford Lake-Marcy yellow marked trail from Uphill lean-to about a half mile...........Though the Sanford Lake trail is long abandoned it should not be hard to find.
    You forgot something

    FLOYD.

    There are sections that are so torn up, that even the ground isn't there any more. It isn't the simple walk that it used to be.

    My memories of that slide are that it is a relatively short one. It semed like it didn'T take long at all to get to the top. (but memory could be faulty). If that is the case, this slide is now another one of those that the slide is simply a short respite on a long bushwhack.

    Oh yeah. One thing (and you see it in a couple of your photos)... When climbing this route, one sees how Cliff got its name.
    Guinness: Goes in brown, comes out yellow.

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    • #3
      Alas, I did not exactly forget Floyd it is because the trail had already been closed due to private property issues there was no opportunity to get in there to have a notion of what Floyd did on the ground. Couple that with, "four times up Cliff is enough", there was little impetus to go in from the lodge.

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      • #4
        That trail used to be a great way of getting Allen, CLiff and Redfield in one (multi-day) trip. Hike in the allen trail, and camp around the lean-to (when it was there, and camping was allowed. Next day, old yellow trail to Cliff... up the slide, down traditional, over to Redfield, then back the yellow trail. Next day, Allen, then out.
        Guinness: Goes in brown, comes out yellow.

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        • #5
          Pete -
          Next time you see your pal Ratowski, tell him about that slide! I recall hiking with him briefly up Cliff and Redfield in 2000...
          (even at 59, 6 years my senior, he was leaving me in the dust, so our time together was short.). So ********************sure was he: "No slide on Cliff," he scoffed. This was the great Wayne, so I took it as gospel. As it was, I think Wayne stayed mainly on the trails and paths and pretty much stuck with the 46 (over & over & over).
          I've heard he does more bikin' than hikin' these days....
          jt

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jtbigmoose
            Next time you see your pal Ratowski, tell him about that slide!......I've heard he does more bikin' than hikin' these days....
            I'll tell him. If I ever see him again. He was working on the state highpointers, State low-points, tri-points, running a marathon in every state, and probably something else. Then he got back into cycling.
            Guinness: Goes in brown, comes out yellow.

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            • #7
              I moved the thread over here.

              For the Cliff slide my plan was to go from the LT to the Redfield-Cliff height of land (this col is a lot closer to Cliff than RF) then shwack to the slide base. Do you mean the old Yellow trail went through there? (I just checked in Topo! and now see that it did.) Sounds like a horrific route now. Is there a better way? Dosn't look like it other than from the top of Cliff, downclimbing then climbing back up again.
              Last edited by Neil; 10-16-2005, 09:10 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Neil
                For the Cliff slide my plan was to go from the LT to the Redfield-Cliff height of land (this col is a lot closer to Cliff than RF) then shwack to the slide base. Do you mean the old Yellow trail went through there? Sounds like a horrific route now. Is there a better way?
                From what Pete says there is no "sure way" to it.

                The old yellow trail did exactly that it went right through the col and descended to Upper Twin Brook and followed the brook down to where it meets Lower Twin brook. Pretty much at the confluence of those two brooks is where the old lean-to was. In fact the old lean-to was at the jct of the yellow trail and the Hanging Spear Falls trail.

                The slide was very near the trail about .10 to .15 or so You could see it from the trail. You dropped about 300 feet from the top of the pass (Col) between C&R reaching the slide just before the trail reached Upper Twin Brook.

                At least you know the trail did go there, perhaps you can trace it. It would depend on how thick it is along that old trail route from Uphill Lean-to to the col and from the col down a quarter mile or so to the slide. The photos of the herd path on ADK Journey indicate part of the herd path is the old yellow trail. Floyd may have covered more than the old trail, it is likely to be gnarly all over in there. Which means your idea of going straight from the col to the slide is as good as any.

                Considering this was a mirror image of the Bradley Pond Trail you may be able to see the wide muddy river through the downed trees.

                As Pete said it is a reletively short slide, but you did gain appx 500 feet and it was open meaning no banging against spruce and good views during your ascent. Considering there isn't much viewing from the top the slide was the highlight of the trip. So even though the slide was "short" most of your climbing was gained on it. Consider from trail to summit is only 700 or so.

                Back then with no decent herd path getting half the distance and most of the elevation via the slide was a good deal. I'll look to see if I have an old map that showed the "yellow" trail, I doubt any survived. But reading the present maps you can pick out where the trail was they chose the obvious course.

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                • #9
                  yellow trail from Twin Brook l/t to the slide, Post-Floyd

                  This info is perhaps a bit dated, but it IS post-Floyd. I used to use the old yellow trail to make a nice loop dayhike, and wanted to check it out again post-Floyd. So in October '99, just a month after Floyd, I went in with a friend. That was quite a day, as the entire East River trail was obliterated. Still, we managed to find our way into the old l/t site and then picked up the yellow trail from there. It was slow going, with as much blowdown damage as I'd seen anywhere (at that point in time). On reaching the general vicinity of the slide we decided to bag Cliff via the slide and exit via the herdpath. Found the slide to be quite pleasant (perhaps because of what we'd just been through) and were pleased by how easily we reached the summit from the top of the slide. Then the rains came and the near-epic death march began. The rest, as they say, was, well... a freaking nightmare.
                  As for legality, it is my understanding that the yellow trail, even though officially closed, is to this day a legal thoroughfare for the public (if you can stay on it!) I could be in error here and, even if I'm not, the guys up at the hunting clubs might take exception and it may not be worth stirring up those old but still glowing embers.
                  Scooting here and there
                  Through the woods and up the peaks
                  Random Scoots awaits (DP)


                  Eat, sleep, hike, repeat.

                  It doesn't have to be viewtiful to be beautiful. (NL)

                  "Pushing the limits of easy."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by randomscooter
                    As for legality, it is my understanding that the yellow trail, even though officially closed, is to this day a legal thoroughfare for the public (if you can stay on it!) I could be in error here and, even if I'm not, the guys up at the hunting clubs might take exception and it may not be worth stirring up those old but still glowing embers.
                    I know it USED to be OK, but the last time I was there, there was a 'No Trespassing' sign right where the closed trail started. The rules got much tighter around the time that the lean-to was removed.

                    The yellow trail can bee seen on the '53 map, here:

                    http://docs.unh.edu/NY/mrcy53sw.jpg

                    It follows Upper Twin Brook.
                    Guinness: Goes in brown, comes out yellow.

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                    • #11
                      Yeah, I noticed the sign appearing during/after the post-Floyd tensions. Either
                      a-the sign is legal, reflecting a change in access to the old trail corridor, or
                      b- the club *thinks* it's legal even though it is in fact not, or
                      c- the club knows it isn't but has posted it anyways to reduce the amount of traffic up that way.

                      My nickel goes on either b or c. It seems unlikely that the state would relinquish an easement such as this, so as to leave the door open for future possibilities. But, as I've said, I'm not 100% sure. I will contact the person I spoke with back in '99 to get a status update, although it's more of a curiousity at this point. The route certainly isn't a practical one, although it would still be a fun challenge to stay on the old trail.
                      Scooting here and there
                      Through the woods and up the peaks
                      Random Scoots awaits (DP)


                      Eat, sleep, hike, repeat.

                      It doesn't have to be viewtiful to be beautiful. (NL)

                      "Pushing the limits of easy."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by randomscooter
                        Yeah, I noticed the sign appearing during/after the post-Floyd tensions. Either
                        a-the sign is legal, reflecting a change in access to the old trail corridor, or
                        b- the club *thinks* it's legal even though it is in fact not, or
                        c- the club knows it isn't but has posted it anyways to reduce the amount of traffic up that way.
                        It all depends on the easement. The people originally involved with it are all gone. Did it say anything to the effect, "As long as the state maintains a trail", much as the Mt Adams 'thing' says that as long as the firetower is maintained.
                        ... although it would still be a fun challenge to stay on the old trail.
                        Only because of the blowdown. Since it is in a valley, and follows the brook, it would be hard to loose your way.
                        Guinness: Goes in brown, comes out yellow.

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                        • #13
                          Google it......

                          I did a "Twin Brook Trail" advanced google search on viewsfromthetop.com (I remember reading stuff there about it in the past).

                          I got 10+ pages of results. Warning, there is a bunch of stuff about a twin brook in NH :roll: , but it's easy to distingwish between the two by reading the description.

                          Here are the -RESULTS-

                          p.s. Remember to hit the "Cached" version (not the main link) so you get the snapshot of the info as google took it. Otherwise you'll likely get lots o' broken links. Some of the info is a few years old.
                          "The forest is the poor man's overcoat. " Old Northeastern Proverb

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                          • #14
                            AP, how long ago were those pictures taken?
                            https://picasaweb.google.com/masshysteria1958

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by masshysteria
                              AP, how long ago were those pictures taken?
                              In the early 80s,

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