High Caloric drink - Page 2

HighMaintenance · 08-03-2012, 11:42 AM

Cheddar chex mix, smoked almonds, G2 - Blueberry Pomegranite flavor, cheese stick, and oreos.

Nesquick chocolate milk is the best recovery drink ever.

I've been thinking about bringing powdered milk and nestle's quick on my backpacking trips. Wouldn't that be great at the end of a long day?

And I've come to the conclusion that women need to replenish calcium more when hiking because I know a lot of women, like me, who crave cheese when hiking. Give your body what it wants especially on a hike.

You just have to experiment enough to figure out what that is for you.

Nessmuk · 08-03-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HighMaintenance

I've been thinking about bringing powdered milk and nestle's quick on my backpacking trips.

Be sure you bring NIDO powdered whole milk (fat included). Not the wimpy non-fat dry milk. Nido is rich and tastes like real milk. Walmart has it in the Hispanic section.

langer318 · 08-03-2012, 12:33 PM

I'll chime in here although I know my 2 cents will be much different than the rest of the advice offered out here and to each his own. My advice is to stay away from the Gatorade PB&J sandwiches and anything that provides large amounts of carbohydrates in general. The whole idea of carb loading is somewhat of a myth and can do more harm to your body than good. Consuming large amounts of carbohydrates spikes your blood sugar thus increasing your insulin production, which in turn causes your blood sugar to drop. Peaks and valleys in your energy level demonstrate this effect. Think about a time when you ate a large meal and how you become tired afterwards (something you want to prevent on the trail).

That said I've got my food intake down pretty good at this point for day hikes. I hike or climb every weekend and had had time to experiment with my diet to see what works and doesn’t work for me. My standard breakfast consists of 6 eggs cooked in coconut oil, 1lb of bacon, 1 orange and a cup of blueberries along with 1tsp of fish oil. I eat this around 5AM and start from the trailhead at 8AM after my drive up to the ADKs. Once I'm moving I find I need to eat every 2-3 hours (when I become hungry no energy loss or tired feeling) I have one of the following: a Laura bar, a few handfuls of trail-mix containing (almonds, pistachios, cranberries and raisins no salt on the nuts) or a pemmican bar. For hydration I'll have 2 nunn tablets in 3L of water during the summer but in the winter its just water.
My primary fuel source is fat over carbs. I’ve experimented quite a bit with this and find that if I fuel my body for long periods of time on carbs its very easy to bonk when you are going hard. When I switched to fat as my primary source of fuel I eliminated the energy peaks and valleys and was able to greatly increase my endurance and eat much less while out on the trail and I had a steady stream of energy all day long.

Commissionpoint · 08-03-2012, 12:59 PM

One thing I haven't heard anyone discuss in this thread about energy drinks is how everyone has a different metabolism. Its important to remember when comparing notes on what we all do that we can only really talk about it in the basic framework of sports nutrition. Every individual is going to process nutrients a little differently, and what works well for one person might not work at all for another.

I thought I'd just throw that out there because we have had alot of good discussion with alot of good ideas.

lionelhutz · 08-03-2012, 01:33 PM

I think the answer lies more in what you are doing to prepare than what you do during. The inability to eat and the lack of hunger is a primary sign of overexertion. No matter what you take with you - sports drinks, food, more technical nutrition food- will not matter if you continually operate within the exhaustion red-zone. YOur body simply will not stomach it. It's not designed that way.
Until you are able to hike without hitting that zone, you'll never solve the nutrition issue.

My $.02 is to focus on improving your fitness so when you set out to hike your body can more easily sustain the effort. I"m sure there are a hundred threads on this site about off-season or off hike fitness and a thousand suggestions therein. Pretty much anything that involves regular - daily- execise that elevates your heart rate into the 135-145 bpm for 30-45 minutes will serve you tremendously. Not that people here don't do plenty more than that...but it's a great place to start.
You'll see tremendous improvement in your ability to eat.

slimjim · 08-03-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerard01

I had cereal for breakfast with blueberries. I had enough food, but I was not hungry at all. Just thirsty.

That may be the start of your problem. Cereal and berries are good when you are kicking around the house. When you put a high stress demand on your body it needs the fuel for it. Hiking days and a couple leading up to it begin fueling your body. Pre-hydrating isn't neccessarilly important as much as replacing what you lose. Also don't forget the recovery period afterward. Replace what you burned up/sweated out.

Gerard01 · 08-03-2012, 03:44 PM

I really want to thanks all of you who responded. Some great stuff was tossed around...I liked Makwa's baby food deal....I dont know about that, but you never know what can happen.

I knocked off two Hershey's milk shakes this morning with a bowl of Cherrio's loaded with blueberries. Have to say, those shakes sat in my stomach like a thick mulch, but they seemed to give me what I needed. I won't back them religiously. It was just a tryout. If I can get something lighter in me, I'll do it.

Trail Boss · 08-03-2012, 04:08 PM

Six eggs and a pound of bacon. I think hiking and climbing are simply excuses to indulge your passion for bacon and eggs!

I don't think I'd feel at all well at the trailhead, after having a breakfast of saturated fat, even after a 2.5 hour commute. But that's me. It works for you and it may very well work for many others.

Fats have a high calorie/weight ratio and take longer to digest thereby providing energy over a longer period of time. I'm happy with a high-carb breakfast followed by regular nibbling on Clif Bars (more carbs and some fat) and the occasional spike provided by candy (typically during ascents). After a hike, I eat a big meal and have a pint or two.

I'm still amused by this fascination with chocolate milk. Wouldn't it be fair to say a glass of milk does the trick and the chocolate part has no bearing. Or is all the magic in the teaspoon of cocoa?

langer318 · 08-03-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Trail Boss

Six eggs and a pound of bacon. I think hiking and climbing are simply excuses to indulge your passion for bacon and eggs!

I don't think I'd feel at all well at the trailhead, after having a breakfast of saturated fat, even after a 2.5 hour commute. But that's me. It works for you and it may very well work for many others.

How can you not love bacon, plus its one of the best things out there for you if you get the nice uncured no sugar added kind.

I eat it on a daily basis.

Commissionpoint · 08-04-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Trail Boss

Six eggs and a pound of bacon. I think hiking and climbing are simply excuses to indulge your passion for bacon and eggs!

I'm still amused by this fascination with chocolate milk. Wouldn't it be fair to say a glass of milk does the trick and the chocolate part has no bearing. Or is all the magic in the teaspoon of cocoa?

No doubt, and who wouldn't! 6 eggs is about 32 grams of protein. Bacon on top of that is more plus fat calories. So nothing wrong there!

Chocolate is indeed magic. It has amazing mystical properties that come frtom its totally organic cacao roots. And if you buy into any of that I have a bunch of crap in my backpack thats for sale.

Chocolate does taste good though, and if you had your choice between surviving on that instead of your hiking buddy, your hiking buddy would most likely appreciate it.

Trail Boss · 08-04-2012, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by langer318

How can you not love bacon. ...

True enough, I love bacon but I'm not in love with it like you are.

I laugh when I hear someone comment how good some food is when wrapped in bacon. Please. You could wrap _hit in bacon and someone would be asking for seconds. Then I heard Jim Gaffigan's routine about bacon. Hilarious! He confirmed my opinion when he said "you notice how they improve other food by wrapping it in bacon?". If you haven't heard his ode to bacon, you can watch it here. This snippet of his comedy routine doesn't include other gems like:

"The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple, it makes bacon. ... That's magic, or the most successful recycling program ever"

"You can't tell me the success of Kevin Bacon isn't somehow tied to his name. ... 'Who's in this movie?' 'Kevin Bacon.' 'Sounds good'"

Makwa · 08-04-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by langer318

How can you not love bacon, plus its one of the best things out there for you if you get the nice uncured no sugar added kind.

I eat it on a daily basis.

I'm waiting for the bacon-flavored Clif Bar. I'd settle for Bacon Gatorade though.

I can't imagine eating that much bacon & eggs before a hike. But I'm a weird case who can't stomach breakfast anyway. I rarely eat before noon on a typical day because food just doesn't appeal to me until then. If I smell or see it I nearly retch. I have to force feed myself breakfast on the way to the trailhead when hiking, then force down more food on the trail.

BTW... what is your cholesterol level? Or do you throw 40mg of Lipitor into your hydration bladder?

rickhart · 08-04-2012, 01:44 PM

It *is* an interesting thread and I think the main lesson for me is that each person has to experiment to find their best routine. Depends on individual metabolisms. I'm one of the don't-eat-much-on-hikes, feel weighed down if I eat much, types -- but then, I can skip a meal in everyday life without ill effect; whereas others I know get shaky if they don't snack regularly.

Gerard01 · 08-04-2012, 06:39 PM

Mmmmmmmm, bacon!!!

HighMaintenance · 08-04-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nessmuk

Be sure you bring NIDO powdered whole milk (fat included). Not the wimpy non-fat dry milk. Nido is rich and tastes like real milk. Walmart has it in the Hispanic section.

You're not the first person to tell me this but I hate to admit this...I bought the Nido and I can't stomach it. All I drink at home is fat free milk and I find I need to stick to what works at home even when I'm on the trail. So when I backpack it's my special cereal concoction with fat free milk. I know it's wrong but I'll have to get my fat through other means I suppose...like OREOS!!

08-03-2012, 12:59 PM	#24
Commissionpoint Alpine Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Diamond Point, NY Posts: 1,271	One thing I haven't heard anyone discuss in this thread about energy drinks is how everyone has a different metabolism. Its important to remember when comparing notes on what we all do that we can only really talk about it in the basic framework of sports nutrition. Every individual is going to process nutrients a little differently, and what works well for one person might not work at all for another. I thought I'd just throw that out there because we have had alot of good discussion with alot of good ideas. __________________ -Wolf We cut a hit, and toured a bit with a song he said he couldn't use. Now he calls and begs and crawls, its telephone deja vu.

08-03-2012, 01:33 PM	#25
lionelhutz Consultant Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Burlington Posts: 304	I think the answer lies more in what you are doing to prepare than what you do during. The inability to eat and the lack of hunger is a primary sign of overexertion. No matter what you take with you - sports drinks, food, more technical nutrition food- will not matter if you continually operate within the exhaustion red-zone. YOur body simply will not stomach it. It's not designed that way. Until you are able to hike without hitting that zone, you'll never solve the nutrition issue. My $.02 is to focus on improving your fitness so when you set out to hike your body can more easily sustain the effort. I"m sure there are a hundred threads on this site about off-season or off hike fitness and a thousand suggestions therein. Pretty much anything that involves regular - daily- execise that elevates your heart rate into the 135-145 bpm for 30-45 minutes will serve you tremendously. Not that people here don't do plenty more than that...but it's a great place to start. You'll see tremendous improvement in your ability to eat. __________________ My Polyester Shirt Smells like Italian Hoagies

08-03-2012, 03:44 PM	#27
Gerard01 aspiring 46'r 10/46 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,378	I really want to thanks all of you who responded. Some great stuff was tossed around...I liked Makwa's baby food deal....I dont know about that, but you never know what can happen. I knocked off two Hershey's milk shakes this morning with a bowl of Cherrio's loaded with blueberries. Have to say, those shakes sat in my stomach like a thick mulch, but they seemed to give me what I needed. I won't back them religiously. It was just a tryout. If I can get something lighter in me, I'll do it. __________________ Nothing like being in the woods. http://www.gerardsadirondackpics.shutterfly.com

08-04-2012, 06:39 PM	#34
Gerard01 aspiring 46'r 10/46 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,378	Mmmmmmmm, bacon!!! __________________ Nothing like being in the woods. http://www.gerardsadirondackpics.shutterfly.com

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08-03-2012, 11:42 AM	#21
HighMaintenance Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 20	Cheddar chex mix, smoked almonds, G2 - Blueberry Pomegranite flavor, cheese stick, and oreos. Nesquick chocolate milk is the best recovery drink ever. I've been thinking about bringing powdered milk and nestle's quick on my backpacking trips. Wouldn't that be great at the end of a long day? And I've come to the conclusion that women need to replenish calcium more when hiking because I know a lot of women, like me, who crave cheese when hiking. Give your body what it wants especially on a hike. You just have to experiment enough to figure out what that is for you.

08-03-2012, 12:33 PM	#23
langer318 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Cohoes, NY Posts: 94	I'll chime in here although I know my 2 cents will be much different than the rest of the advice offered out here and to each his own. My advice is to stay away from the Gatorade PB&J sandwiches and anything that provides large amounts of carbohydrates in general. The whole idea of carb loading is somewhat of a myth and can do more harm to your body than good. Consuming large amounts of carbohydrates spikes your blood sugar thus increasing your insulin production, which in turn causes your blood sugar to drop. Peaks and valleys in your energy level demonstrate this effect. Think about a time when you ate a large meal and how you become tired afterwards (something you want to prevent on the trail). That said I've got my food intake down pretty good at this point for day hikes. I hike or climb every weekend and had had time to experiment with my diet to see what works and doesn’t work for me. My standard breakfast consists of 6 eggs cooked in coconut oil, 1lb of bacon, 1 orange and a cup of blueberries along with 1tsp of fish oil. I eat this around 5AM and start from the trailhead at 8AM after my drive up to the ADKs. Once I'm moving I find I need to eat every 2-3 hours (when I become hungry no energy loss or tired feeling) I have one of the following: a Laura bar, a few handfuls of trail-mix containing (almonds, pistachios, cranberries and raisins no salt on the nuts) or a pemmican bar. For hydration I'll have 2 nunn tablets in 3L of water during the summer but in the winter its just water. My primary fuel source is fat over carbs. I’ve experimented quite a bit with this and find that if I fuel my body for long periods of time on carbs its very easy to bonk when you are going hard. When I switched to fat as my primary source of fuel I eliminated the energy peaks and valleys and was able to greatly increase my endurance and eat much less while out on the trail and I had a steady stream of energy all day long.

08-03-2012, 04:08 PM	#28
Trail Boss Ascender Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 1,876	Six eggs and a pound of bacon. I think hiking and climbing are simply excuses to indulge your passion for bacon and eggs! I don't think I'd feel at all well at the trailhead, after having a breakfast of saturated fat, even after a 2.5 hour commute. But that's me. It works for you and it may very well work for many others. Fats have a high calorie/weight ratio and take longer to digest thereby providing energy over a longer period of time. I'm happy with a high-carb breakfast followed by regular nibbling on Clif Bars (more carbs and some fat) and the occasional spike provided by candy (typically during ascents). After a hike, I eat a big meal and have a pint or two. I'm still amused by this fascination with chocolate milk. Wouldn't it be fair to say a glass of milk does the trick and the chocolate part has no bearing. Or is all the magic in the teaspoon of cocoa?

08-04-2012, 01:44 PM	#33
rickhart Consultant Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 224	It is an interesting thread and I think the main lesson for me is that each person has to experiment to find their best routine. Depends on individual metabolisms. I'm one of the don't-eat-much-on-hikes, feel weighed down if I eat much, types -- but then, I can skip a meal in everyday life without ill effect; whereas others I know get shaky if they don't snack regularly.

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