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10-03-2006, 06:57 PM
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IJeff Beck is on there. I find him a very interesting guitarist... He really plays with dynamics, which very few guitarists do. Neai Young is another one that I find interesting.
In general, I find guitarists 'interesting' I have no idea how to compare two different guitarists, and say which one is better.
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10-03-2006, 07:04 PM
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It's simply impossible. I saw Jeff Beck in a small club on September 11th for the 6th time. I think about the only thing louder is the shuttle taking off.  His music defies categorization. He is simply, Jeff Beck and I love him for that.
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10-03-2006, 07:43 PM
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Sure, Why not!
 
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I will throw out a couple of names from a few different genres that I would include as great guitarist
Leadbelly, Robert Cray Robert Johnson Peter Frampton (yes really) Jimmy Page EC George Thourhogood Elliot Fisk T. Bone Walker John Entwistle (O.K. Bass) The Edge
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10-03-2006, 08:22 PM
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Gilmour is the best I have ever heard. You know your an incredible guitar player when very few people try and cover you...
I am also a big fan of Mike McCready of Pearl Jam... Cool to see the Rundgren reference. The RA album is awsome! "Hiroshima" along with "Sing Ring and the Glass Guitar" are phenomenal 
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10-03-2006, 08:23 PM
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Lotta rockers here huh?
I spent the 80s in wasteland spinning dance tunes and alternative rock at nightclubs in Buffalo and Niagara Falls (as well as working as part of the stage crew for many many concerts at Darien Lakes). I did work as high steel stage crew for the Stone's Steel Wheels Tour in '89. In fact, it was rock that got me into climbing, since I had to go to EMS and get a harness, webbing and and some beaners to work on the stage structure. ....So, in fact, it does all come back to climbing, doesn't it??
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10-03-2006, 08:33 PM
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Enjoying Wellness
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What about....
Geo. Harrison Steve Howe Nothin' I can do about it, After all these years I'm still stuck on those first 5 minutes of Close to the Edge. Check out the cymbal work. Bruford rocks. Oops! Sorry. This is a guitar thread. My bad. Last edited by Neil; 10-03-2006 at 08:40 PM. |
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10-03-2006, 08:58 PM
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Ice Cream Time
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Close to the Edge...MMmm, my favorite Yes album.
I thought I'd mention also Albert King, a great blues guitarist from a different genre than the rockers and heavy metal guitarists. Jay |
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10-03-2006, 10:15 PM
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#6242 Aspiring Winter46er
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Always been big on the "Prog" guitarists.... Steve Howe, Steve Hackett, Dave Gilmour Etc. but for the last 12 years my #1 all time favourite has been..... PAT METHENY It starts out slow but well worth watching to the end. Take a look at the comments and responses.
Another if you are interested.... First Circle P.S. I used to hate jazz, but this guy opened me up to a whole new realm of music
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10-03-2006, 10:55 PM
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Question- For all of those who are establishing a position for one guitar player or another- how many of you are basing your judgement on seeing (or hearing) the performer live, vs on a studio recording?
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10-04-2006, 12:54 AM
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I have always been a fan of Clapton and Hendrix. I would be hard pressed to name the guitarists in most of the bands I like, Led Zeppelin or any other.
I saw Todd Rundgren perform at Woodstock 1994. I enjoyed the performance, but he did not impress me as a "list man". I agree that there is way too much metal on the Guitar World list. Perhaps someone will propose a bluegrass list. And how about Jose Feliciano, Carlos Santana, or even Mason Williams. My own two cents. No discussion of the great could be complete without classical guitarists. I realize for some this is a cure for insomnia. I won't try to convince you that they surpass the talent of the guys listed above, but they are in a decidedly different dexterity league. I did notice the other Eliot Fisk fan -- he does have the fingers of God.It is difficult to say how great the guitar masters were, going back to Gaspar Sanz (1640-1710). There are no recordings, just compositions. Fernando Sor (the Beethoven of the guitar), Mauro Giuliani, Francisco Tarrega, and the cross-over from violin Nicoli Paganini were all considered great. My own favorite among the masters is Agustin Barrios (1885-1944, Paraguay) -- perhaps the Bach of the guitar. A few scratchy but amazing Barrios recordings exist. Not many guitarists attempt to play his more difficult compositions. My top 10 of the contemporary and near past in alphabetic order (comparisons are too hard): Manuel BarruecoNo Andres Segovia? Important yes, but I don't believe in grandfathering on the list. I have seen 5 of the 10 on my list perform live, and 3 others live on TV. Vona is right. Anything can get improved/fixed in the mix so a live performance is the best judge. OK, you may resume jamming and riffing now. I'll head back to left field. 
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10-04-2006, 06:05 AM
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Bones
 
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10-04-2006, 07:00 AM
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Commander
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This is great fun "goofing off", when we should be discussing serious topics like how deep a certain col is, the lighest weight compass lanyard, etc.
That Guitar World list isn't actually a representation of what guitarists think, it's a representation of what guitarists who read Guitar World (and who bothered to vote) think. The readership of those guitar magazines seems to slant towards metal-type players for whatever reasons. I think the bias towards metal players is basically just a reflextion of the general feeling among many consumers of music that complex=good, technical proficiency=good, etc. Part of this bias involves an inordinate amount of attention focused on single line guitar solos. Since "good" is a subjective term, I'll offer my definition-I think a good musician is simply one who articulates their musical message clearly and sincerly. That's it. That's why I think Johnny Ramone is just as "good" a guitarist as any of those other rock guys. Angus Young is another terrific rock player in my book. Heck, Malcolm Young for that matter-"only" a rhythm player, but that's all he needs to contribute to his band's musical message, and he does a damn fine job. Great "solos" aren't all there is to guitar playing, by any stretch. Freddie Green of Count Basie's band spent most of his career laying down four chords to the bar, while horn players played the solos. In certain genres, such as classical, a certain level of technical proficiency is required to articulate one's musical message. So all those people Mark lists are certainly very good in that sense. As one who has studied that stuff a bit, I can attest to his statement about "decidely different dexterity league". Not that I ever approached that league in my studies, but my studies gave me an appreciation for the depth of that league. In most rock bands, a "guitar solo" is a single line played with a pick while the other musicians maintain the rhythm and harmonic progression. In classical guitar, a "solo" means an entire piece arranged for one player to perform, melody, harmony, rhythm, etc. The classical guitar has been referred to as a little orchestra for good reason. I remember playing a classical guitar recording for one of my blues buddies once and he said "That's one guy?!" But again, if the musical message of a classical guitarist doesn't move you, it's doesn't matter how proficient the player is-it won't sound "good" to you. So after all this ranting, I agree with a lot of Mark's classical list. Barrios is one of my favorite composers as well. Some of his stuff is just heartbreakingly beautiful-I used to play "Julia Florida" when I was in school. Barrueco is actaully playing this Friday an SUNY New Paltz as part of Unison's season. Haven't decided if I'll go yet, I'll probably be kicking myself if I don't. Also nice to see some shout-outs for blues, the genre in which I am most proficient. I could go on all day about this one-lots of great players out there. Some my favorites tend to also be great singers (Otis Rush, Freddy King, Magic Sam), great accompanists to blues harp players (Robert Jr. Lockwood, Luther Tucker), quirky in some way (Albert Collins, Hubert Sumlin), or just somehow great (Eddie Taylor). And that's just the electric players. Then there's the genre where sometimes classical proficiency and bluesy funk intersect-jazz. Django has been mentioned, and I won't disagree. He did stuff with two good fingers that we're still trying to catch up with. If he didn't have any fingers, he probably would have figured out how to play with his nose or something. Charlie Christian was another towering figure in early jazz guitar. But why all this about guitar anyway?? There is so much more to music. It's like talking about exploring the backcountry and only focusing on hiking tall mountains. Oh wait, sorry... Matt
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10-04-2006, 08:02 AM
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 ......... It sorta morphed. Lets not completly get goofy on musical theory, which could generate about a billion more posts. Light hearted chit chat along the same lines is coll, but it could get ridiculous if we let it....... LET'S NOT Quote:
Here's two examples: BB KING - The thrill is gone - I mean come on, even a musical idiot like me can here the beauty of that. .. and here's one from a guy who's relitively obscure in the scheme of things (already mentioned here though ), but his licks are pretty damn good. He practicaly invented electricity - T Bone Walker
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10-04-2006, 12:15 PM
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There's a 'better list' out there, having a hard time finding it though... Like someone pointed out, the readers determine what guitarists show up. Guitar PLAYER is a much better magazine, but I can't seem to find the results of their last poll. Guitar World is pop crap for newb guitarists. |
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10-04-2006, 12:25 PM
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This one is definitely more 'accurate', and covers the wide range of styles out there...
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/10/29/151224.php Quote:
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10-04-2006, 04:40 PM
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Neil's picture on his avatar Iswear he looks just like Trey Anastasio from Phish.
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10-05-2006, 12:52 PM
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10-05-2006, 07:08 PM
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Tony Iommi ? Good grief!!
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10-05-2006, 07:21 PM
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10-06-2006, 01:35 PM
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