Redlining Question

mountainmeijin · 04-09-2012, 04:01 PM

So, I've often wondered about redlining the Catskills, that is, completing every bit of trail. I wonder, do road walks count towards the trail hiking? The southern bit of Mink Hollow Road, for instance, is marked blue like the Mink Hollow Trail. Portions of Basily Road and Black Bear Road are marked red and yellow.

So does one have to complete the road walks to have properly "finished" the trail? What about snowmobile trails, like the extensive ones near Mongaup Pond and the Campbell-Pelnor-Trout Pond area?

TFR · 04-09-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainmeijin

So, I've often wondered about redlining the Catskills, that is, completing every bit of trail. I wonder, do road walks count towards the trail hiking? The southern bit of Mink Hollow Road, for instance, is marked blue like the Mink Hollow Trail. Portions of Basily Road and Black Bear Road are marked red and yellow.

So does one have to complete the road walks to have properly "finished" the trail? What about snowmobile trails, like the extensive ones near Mongaup Pond and the Campbell-Pelnor-Trout Pond area?

There is no governing body, this is completely up to you.

It it was me, and it had a red line, I would do it. But I'm not doing it!

Jay H · 04-09-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainmeijin

So, I've often wondered about redlining the Catskills, that is, completing every bit of trail. I wonder, do road walks count towards the trail hiking? The southern bit of Mink Hollow Road, for instance, is marked blue like the Mink Hollow Trail. Portions of Basily Road and Black Bear Road are marked red and yellow.

So does one have to complete the road walks to have properly "finished" the trail? What about snowmobile trails, like the extensive ones near Mongaup Pond and the Campbell-Pelnor-Trout Pond area?

As TFR state, I think that is up to you, but where do you draw the line? How about relocation of trails, new/old switchbacks, etc.? I think whatever you chose to do, just be consistent...

Don't forget the Long Path, if you consider that a catskill trail, you would have to do the road walk to Phoenicia from Woodland Valley, for example.

Jay

Halia and Flammeus · 04-09-2012, 06:49 PM

I'm redlining.

It's my only active Catskill list. I'm working on it very slowly. Even more slowly than my nonexistent grid.

And I am not going to road walk.

mountainmeijin · 04-09-2012, 07:35 PM

Part of me is tempted to do the road walks...or at least any place that is marked by Catskill trail markers on the trees. The Long Path might be a gray area in that sense, but I suppose you could do the off-road sections only. Ahhh, details...

I notice a snowmobile trail in the western Cats that crosses private land. It's labeled as being no entry, except on snowmobile. I wonder if a bicycle counts for the road sections?

DSettahr · 04-09-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay H

Don't forget the Long Path, if you consider that a catskill trail, you would have to do the road walk to Phoenicia from Woodland Valley, for example.

Or you could just wait until after this summer, when the new section of trail over Cross Mountain is completed...

catdacker · 04-10-2012, 07:23 AM

Hi Deset, Is that really going to happen? I have the proposed trail on a set of maps but have never heard of them opening it up.

Jay H · 04-10-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DSettahr

Or you could just wait until after this summer, when the new section of trail over Cross Mountain is completed...

They've had that proposed for what.. 10 years now???

Jay

TFR · 04-10-2012, 08:26 AM

Are there any known red-line finishers for the Catskills?

DSettahr · 04-10-2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by catdacker

Hi Deset, Is that really going to happen? I have the proposed trail on a set of maps but have never heard of them opening it up.

According to the NYNJTC publication, they are starting work on it this summer.

PA Ridgerunner · 04-10-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay H

As TFR state, I think that is up to you, but where do you draw the line? How about relocation of trails, new/old switchbacks, etc.? I think whatever you chose to do, just be consistent...

Don't forget the Long Path, if you consider that a catskill trail, you would have to do the road walk to Phoenicia from Woodland Valley, for example.

Jay

...and what about the FLT? Aren't there some significant road walks on that as well?

DSettahr · 04-10-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay H

As TFR state, I think that is up to you, but where do you draw the line?

I don't know about you guys, but I draw my red lines on my hiking maps.

debmonster · 04-10-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay H

They've had that proposed for what.. 10 years now???

Jay

According to the TC newsletter, it's finally happening this year:
http://www.nynjtc.org/files/TW-Spring12_3-13b.pdf

mountainmeijin · 04-10-2012, 08:33 PM

I wonder what it means for the Terrace lean-to?

DSettahr · 04-10-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainmeijin

I wonder what it means for the Terrace lean-to?

I know that there was discussion at one point of phasing it out once it reaches the end of it's life span. I stayed there last spring, and the lean-to is in excellent shape- decades of life left in it, for sure.

I suspect we'll probably start to see more people staying at it once the new trail is finished. Although, perhaps not- there is no water source anywhere near the lean-to. Even the water source shown on most maps west of the junction, on the trail to Woodland Valley, is of questionable reliability. I spent some time searching the nooks and crannies of the ledges below the lean-to while I was there, and also found nothing.

Zer0-G · 04-13-2012, 06:47 PM

I'm redlining the Catskill trails.

But only the parts I like.

Jay H · 04-13-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Zer0-G

I'm redlining the Catskill trails.

But only the parts I like.

I'm redlining the parts of the trails that I hike

In fact, I've redlined every inch of trail that I've hiked on.

Jay

imarchant · 04-17-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DSettahr

I don't know about you guys, but I draw my red lines on my hiking maps.

I marked mine with a yellow highlighter. Does that mean I need to start over, or can I just be a yellow liner?

Zer0-G · 04-17-2012, 08:00 PM

You can stay with yellow if you can handle people callin' ya yella!!!!

DSettahr · 04-17-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by imarchant

I marked mine with a yellow highlighter. Does that mean I need to start over, or can I just be a yellow liner?

Personally, since the trails on the NYNJTC maps are already shown with red lines, I draw my lines for the Catskills in blue...

04-09-2012, 04:01 PM	#1
mountainmeijin CANNONBALL!!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 846	Redlining Question So, I've often wondered about redlining the Catskills, that is, completing every bit of trail. I wonder, do road walks count towards the trail hiking? The southern bit of Mink Hollow Road, for instance, is marked blue like the Mink Hollow Trail. Portions of Basily Road and Black Bear Road are marked red and yellow. So does one have to complete the road walks to have properly "finished" the trail? What about snowmobile trails, like the extensive ones near Mongaup Pond and the Campbell-Pelnor-Trout Pond area? __________________ молоко хорошо, ну а водка ещё лучше.

04-09-2012, 06:49 PM	#4
Halia and Flammeus wingnut Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Krumville (Catskills) Posts: 938	I'm redlining. It's my only active Catskill list. I'm working on it very slowly. Even more slowly than my nonexistent grid. And I am not going to road walk. __________________ www.heatherrolland.com www.honeymelonfudge.com

04-09-2012, 07:35 PM	#5
mountainmeijin CANNONBALL!!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 846	Part of me is tempted to do the road walks...or at least any place that is marked by Catskill trail markers on the trees. The Long Path might be a gray area in that sense, but I suppose you could do the off-road sections only. Ahhh, details... I notice a snowmobile trail in the western Cats that crosses private land. It's labeled as being no entry, except on snowmobile. I wonder if a bicycle counts for the road sections? __________________ молоко хорошо, ну а водка ещё лучше.

04-10-2012, 08:26 AM	#9
TFR Peek-Bagger Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Tillson, NY - Avatar: Whiteface Slide Posts: 5,381	Are there any known red-line finishers for the Catskills? __________________ Tom Rankin - 5444W - Proud Member #0003 of ADKHP Foundation Volunteer Balsam Lake Mountain President Catskill 3500 Club CEO Views And Brews! Trail maintainer for the Dry Brook Ridge trail from Mill Brook Road to just past the Lean-to

04-10-2012, 08:33 PM	#14
mountainmeijin CANNONBALL!!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 846	I wonder what it means for the Terrace lean-to? __________________ молоко хорошо, ну а водка ещё лучше.

04-10-2012, 07:23 AM	#7
catdacker Commander Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bayport, L.I., N.Y. Posts: 514	Hi Deset, Is that really going to happen? I have the proposed trail on a set of maps but have never heard of them opening it up.

04-13-2012, 06:47 PM	#16
Zer0-G Dances w/Giant Hogweeds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Valhalla, NY Posts: 1,349	I'm redlining the Catskill trails. But only the parts I like. __________________ Natural environment sustains the life of all beings universally. Trees are referred to in accounts of the principal events of Buddha's life. His mother leaned against a tree for support as she gave birth to him. He attained enlightenment seated beneath a tree, and finally passed away as trees stood witness overhead. H.H. D. L. "experience is something you don't get until after you need it, that's the problem." - Joe Simpson As I was walking - I saw a sign there And that sign said - No tresspassin' But on the other side - it didn't say nuthin' Now that side was made for you and me! - Woody Guthrie - Charter Member of the Tongue-In-Cheek Club (TIC)

04-17-2012, 08:00 PM	#19
Zer0-G Dances w/Giant Hogweeds Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Valhalla, NY Posts: 1,349	You can stay with yellow if you can handle people callin' ya yella!!!! __________________ Natural environment sustains the life of all beings universally. Trees are referred to in accounts of the principal events of Buddha's life. His mother leaned against a tree for support as she gave birth to him. He attained enlightenment seated beneath a tree, and finally passed away as trees stood witness overhead. H.H. D. L. "experience is something you don't get until after you need it, that's the problem." - Joe Simpson As I was walking - I saw a sign there And that sign said - No tresspassin' But on the other side - it didn't say nuthin' Now that side was made for you and me! - Woody Guthrie - Charter Member of the Tongue-In-Cheek Club (TIC)

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