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  • #46
    This is awsome! Thanks trail boss, et al, for all the time you put into it.

    Does anyone have tracks for basin and Saddleback to add?

    And can one use their phone with GPS to view current position on a map with tracks (eg to see if you are on the track / how to navigate back to the nearest track?)? I suppose we'd have to download the hiking area in advance (no cell reception to support live downloading) (this I know Google maps can do).

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    • #47
      Originally posted by mga56grg View Post
      Does anyone have tracks for basin and Saddleback to add?
      Six months ago I updated the following trails in OSM:

      Phelps Trail
      http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/238522392
      http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/238522396
      http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/267198452

      Shorey Shortcut
      http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/267198453

      Range Trail
      http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/267206747

      More than enough time has passed to allow the modifications to trickle down to OSM's "children" like OpenCycleMap, ThunderForest Outdoors, etc. You should be (more than) good for Basin and Saddleback using the current trails in OSM.

      ​I have not updated the portion of Phelps that continues past the Shorey Shortcut junction, the so-called Range Connector trail, and the trail to the two Haystacks, nor the Orebed Brook Trail. HOWEVER, what is present in OSM is sufficiently accurate for trail-navigation; they simply lack some nuance (twisty portions, possible viewpoints) and infrastructure (i.e. Orebed Brook Lean-to).

      ...And can one use their phone with GPS to view current position on a map with tracks (eg to see if you are on the track / how to navigate back to the nearest track?)? I suppose we'd have to download the hiking area in advance (no cell reception to support live downloading) (this I know Google maps can do).
      ​Yes there are numerous GPS apps for iOS and Android. The best of the bunch have more functionality than purpose-built GPS receivers.

      ​All hiking-oriented GPS apps have the ability to download maps for offline use (i.e. no cell reception).
      Looking for Views!

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      • #48
        I use GAIAGPS on my iPhone and one of the layers is an OSM layer which has trails and herd paths on them.
        Mike

        ADK 46r #8003; 6W
        2nd round: 16
        SL6r #596
        Catskill 3500 21/39; 11W

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        • #49
          Trail Boss, is there a way to download all lean-tos, tent sites, privies etc. as waypoints?
          I am pretty happy with my (free) Nytopo11 map and want just to add extra details to it.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Yury View Post
            Trail Boss, is there a way to download all lean-tos, tent sites, privies etc. as waypoints?
            I am pretty happy with my (free) Nytopo11 map and want just to add extra details to it.
            ​I don't know know how to do that (without having to write code). Here's an explanation of how to export POI (Points of Interest) from OpenStreetMap (OSM) but it involves getting your hands covered in code.
            https://help.openstreetmap.org/quest...hem-up-to-date

            ​You may have noticed there's an "Export" command in OSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/export...95043&layers=C
            ​It will produce a ".osm" file that contains map data in XML format. For example, here's a fragment describing a campsite at Marcy Dam:
            Code:
             <node id="4223935205" visible="true" version="1" changeset="39781279" timestamp="2016-06-03T15:07:45Z" user="TarasD" uid="3965193" lat="44.1564563" lon="-73.9510574">
              <tag k="description" v="NYS DEC designated campsite."/>
              <tag k="tourism" v="camp_site"/>
             </node>
            ​If you know something about XSLT, you can use it to transform one XML file format into another (i.e. into GPX). In other words, more coding!

            Alternate solution
            I realize you're happy with the NYTopo11 map, but it is possible to replace it with a topographic OSM map that will work with your Garmin GPS. This wiki page describes several sources for Garmin-compatible OSM maps.
            http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/O...armin/Download

            Most are for driving purposes; you'll want a topographic version. Here's one that covers the northeastern US (~0.5 Gb):
            http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/us...-topo-routable

            ​If you want a smaller map (i.e. just the High Peaks area), you need to use a service that lets you specify the desired map-area. For example, BBBike.org lets you do that.
            http://extract.bbbike.org/
            Looking for Views!

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            • #51
              TrailBoss, I just came across this thread in the past week or two. The OpenStreetMpas are pretty interesting. I found out about them through my use of CalTopo, which I really like. I added my first trail on OSM to the firetower on Spruce Mountain in Corinth. It has been interesting to see how the trail slowly appears over time on all of the various zoom levels. The trails and features you have added in the high peaks look really good. I am looking for a good tutorial and really want to know how to add symbols or icons to the map.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by SteveSam View Post
                ... I added my first trail on OSM to the firetower on Spruce Mountain in Corinth. It has been interesting to see how the trail slowly appears over time on all of the various zoom levels. ...
                Good stuff! It's pretty cool when you think the work you put in will now benefit everyone who uses the map whether they view it in a browser or through a GPS app

                The trails and features you have added in the high peaks look really good. I am looking for a good tutorial and really want to know how to add symbols or icons to the map.
                I started with the Beginner's Guide and then browsed the OpenStreetmapWiki. Examining the data created by other people also provides clues but don't assume other people did it correctly. I found a lot of hiking trails that had been tagged incorrectly (open to horses and bikes when, in fact they were not). I learned more when I started to use JOSM instead of the default iD editor. However, most of the time I use iD because it's "good enough" for the basics.
                Looking for Views!

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                • SteveSam
                  SteveSam commented
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                  Can you add symbols with the iD editor or do you need to use one of the more sophisticated editors? I would like to add a symbol for the fire tower.

              • #53
                Can you add symbols with the iD editor or do you need to use one of the more sophisticated editors? I would like to add a symbol for the fire tower.
                ​The default "iD" editor lets you add the following:

                Point
                ​A point is for drawing a shelter, campsite, privy, viewpoint (lookout), trail-register, tower, etc.

                Line
                ​A line is for drawing a trail, road, railway, stream, parking lane, etc.

                Area
                ​An area is for identifying the perimeter of a building, parking area, property boundaries, etc.


                When you want to add a feature to the map, like a fire tower, the best thing to do is to browse through the wiki's "Map Features" page and try to find a description for it.
                http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features

                ​Here we find "man_made" "tower". Go to the "tower" page and it lists tower types. The best fit for fire tower is "observation".
                https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/...er#Tower_types
                In fact, the description says "Observation towers such as fire-towers, observation platforms and tourist attractions​."

                ​Using the iD editor, place a Point on the map at the fire tower's location (using the satellite map is helpful) then enter "observation tower" in the Search box.
                Select "Observation Tower" from the list.

                ​There are Optional Tags for a tower and you should, at the very least, fill in the tower's name in the "Name" tag.
                https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/...#Optional_Tags

                ​If you know there's a Wikipedia page for this tower, you can use the "URL" tag to supply the link. If you know the tower's height, there's a tag for that as well.

                ​Be advised that not all features are visible in OpenStreetMap. I currently don't know how they determine what is/isn't displayed but perhaps they do this to prevent the "Standard View" from becoming cluttered. For example, you may be disappointed to learn that observation towers are not displayed in the Standard View. :(

                For example, the Saint Regis Fire Tower is not shown in OSM's Standard View:
                https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=1...0858/-74.32937

                However, don't feel it's a waste of time to add features that don't appear in the Standard View! It's up to the map-maker to decide what is displayed. For example, fire towers are displayed in this version of OpenStreetMap (produced by Locus Map):

                Looking for Views!

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                • SteveSam
                  SteveSam commented
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                  I finished adding the trail for Spruce Mountain. I included the tower, parking, and the trail register. I also modified the access road to include a gate and note that it is restricted access. You can find it at the link below. I would appreciate any comments on the information that I included or suggestions for other info that would be helpful.

                  https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/43.2110/-73.9013

              • #54
                Thanks Trail Boss. That really helps. I did not understand how the icons were connected to the points. It makes a lot more sense now.

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                • #55
                  SteveSam

                  ​You tagged the "Spruce Mountain Trail" as highway=footway. If you look in OSM's wiki, a footway is typically used to identify an urban trail (see the example photo):
                  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway

                  ​If you look at the wiki page for path, it describes it as being for "A generic multi-use path open to non-motorized vehicles." and the accompanying example photo shows a trail through the woods.
                  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath
                  This is the classification that best fits non-urban trails. I've never been to Spruce Mountain but I assume it is non-urban trail through the woods and the highway=path classification would be more apt.

                  ​When I viewed your Changeset (466081169) for the Spruce Mountain Trail, using the OpenCycleMap layer, there appears to be an existing trail and you made subtle modifications to it. Am I correct? Or is this just some sort of "artifact" in OpenCycleMap (because there's only one trail visible in the standard OSM layer).
                  https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/46...90047&layers=C

                  ​Everything else (fire tower, trail register, parking area) looks great! Good job!

                  FWIW, if the parking area has a particular shape, you can use the Area feature to define it. Here are two examples:

                  Ausable Club and Roaring Brook:
                  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4...4995/-73.76754

                  East River parking Area
                  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4...8102/-74.05473

                  ASRC Parking Area. This one is a "park along the road" situation, where there's extra width to accommodate parked cars, and demonstrates how to handle that.
                  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4...9429/-73.85734




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                  • SteveSam
                    SteveSam commented
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                    Thanks for the feedback. I changed the tag from "footway" to "path". Also, I changed the summit road to "service", marked the road access as restricted, and added the gate at the bottom. The road is posted, open for lease holders or service vehicles except for winter.

                • #56
                  SteveSam

                  ​I logged into OSM to examine the Fire Tower Road and the Spruce Mountain Trail. I found two curiosities:
                  1. Spruce Mountain Trail indicates it is a "Line" and it has just two tags "Name" and Surface".
                  2. ​The Fire Tower Road is not drawn as a single, unbroken route from Spruce Mountain Road to the summit but has three segments. The first segment starts at the main road and ends at the property line. The second segment starts from the property line and ends near the pond. The third segment begins near the pond and ends at the summit.
                  ​I see your changeset with the comment indicating you changed the trail from footway to path but, for some reason, OSM indicates it's a "Line" (i.e. a generic line with no tags indicating if it's a road, stream, trail, property boundary, etc).

                  ​The Fire Tower Road is composed of three segments. Unless there's a good reason for this (change of road surface?) the three segments should probably be combined into one. BTW, the first segment's direction is towards the main road. The other two segments' direction is away from the road to the summit. In order to join segments, they must point in the same direction (i.e.. all should point towards the summit).
                  Last edited by Trail Boss; 02-03-2017, 12:34 PM. Reason: Typo.
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                  • SteveSam
                    SteveSam commented
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                    OK, not sure what is going on with the trail, I will wait a few days and see what happens. As for the road, I will look at switching the directions and combining the segments above the property boundary.

                  • SteveSam
                    SteveSam commented
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                    I fixed the problem with the road. Thanks.
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