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  • Lillian Brook to Hough

    I am approaching my winter finish - with only 4 to go - Hough being one of them.

    Has anyone been in to assess trail conditions or if Lillian Brook herd path has been tracked out?

    I've had trouble finding the path from the Dix Trail, so any intel on where it begins is helpful s well. Some guides simply state to follow Lillian Brook, but on some reports (https://www.alltrails.com/explore/re...peak-3-8-13--2) there seems to be a shortcut prior to Lillian BrI'mk. Im hoping to do this in a day hike on Thursday - coldest day of the year of course.

    Thanks all.

    Redtail
    Redtail
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  • #2
    The herd path is well short of Lillian Brook proper. See: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/44.0559/-73.8027
    ADK 46/46W, Grid 237/552
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      The map displayed by Alltrails is sourced from OpenStreetMap (OSM). HOWEVER, they are using a very old version of OSM!

      In the link you provided, look at the trail system north of Dix. It is missing the Dix Trail from the North Fork Boquet to the summit of Dix. That's only one of many omissions and errors. That was the state of OSM's High Peaks trails when I started improving it ... 19 months ago!

      For an up-to-date, online depiction of the ADK High Peaks trail system, I suggest you refer to WaymarkedTrails.org. It is also derived from OSM but it incorporates OSM's modification far more promptly (in days) than Alltrails (years?).

      Here is the Lillian Brook Trail: https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=7266590
      The map's sidebar shows the trail's length (2.64 km; 1.64 mi), elevation profile, and total ascent (415 m; 1361 ft). You can also download it as a GPX file.

      If you want more information about a trail (or other geographic feature), you can query it in OpenStreetMap. For example, here is the Lillian Brook Trail: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/407839536

      It shows I revised it about a month ago using the latest data from Strava's Heatmap.


      What OSM won't tell you is if the trail has been recently broken out! Good luck with your winter finish!
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      • Redtail
        Redtail commented
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        Thanks, Trail Boss - very helpful. Here's hoping for a packed out trail.

    • #4
      I'm happy to report we were successful in our Hough summit - 43/46w. Trail register showed no one had been in from Elk Lake since Christmas Eve, so we tracked our fresh snow the entire day. Downloading the .gpx map as Trail Boss and autochromatica suggested was a HUGE help in locating the start of herd path and staying on track. Thank you both. We got pushed left at one point up high, but recovered after about 10 minutes of struggle in the powder. Trail start at 7:45 and made the summit at 2:00, back to the car by 6:00. A very tough climb and lots of waist-high powder up high. But we made it.

      Despite the temps, it was a spectacular bluebird day. There was not another person in the entire Dix Wilderness the whole day.
      Redtail
      LT 06
      46x46

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    • #5
      Originally posted by Trail Boss View Post

      Here is the Lillian Brook Trail: https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=7266590
      The map's sidebar shows the trail's length (2.64 km; 1.64 mi), elevation profile, and total ascent (415 m; 1361 ft). You can also download it as a GPX file.
      Perhaps the forum rules should be amended

      Rule 7 "There will be no public posting of specific GPS data for any NYS Forest Preserve location. This specifically includes tracklog data. Links to GPS data are permitted."

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      • #6
        My understanding of rule #7 is that it forbids sharing of off-trail GPS tracks (bushwhacks). I arrived at that interpretation based on the rule's last sentence:

        This rule is enacted in an specific attempt to prevent "herd path" formation along specific Adirondack or Catskillbushwhack routes.
        The Lillian Brook Trail is unmarked but it's an established, minimal-maintenance trail. It's depicted on maps including the one published by the ADK Mtn Club. It is decidedly not off-trail.

        Nevertheless, if my interpretation is wrong, then I'll gladly comply with rule #7 and remove the links to OpenStreetMap and WaymarkedTrails.

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