Off Topic Alert --- Any Zeppelin fans in the house.

[Mavs00]

Excuse the WAAAAAAAY, of topic nature of this post, but I figured one or two of you 70's kids might appreciate it.

Some of you may know, Nick's learning the guitar.

Anyway, he goes over to his buddy's house today to jam with him, which is only the second time they played together. So anyway, he comes home and needs my help downloading and uploading a little jam they recorded. So, as I was helping him, I couldn't help but giggle. You'd figure two 15 y/o utes of today would record some modern-ish alternative rock ditty. Nope, they dug out a 40 year old re-worked Zeppelin classic. I heard snippits of him playing it in his roon, but until another element joined in, it sounded like jibberish. It took me back to me younger days.

Anyway, I figured there were enough throwback hippy's :hippy2: here that woud get a kick out of it too. Perhaps it'll remind you of your younger days and the things you did back then as it did me. :eek:

Go - HERE- (http://www.adkhighpeaks.com/46er-flash/nick.htm) to listen

Oh yeah, I thouroghly searched his room afterward ;) (he's really a good kid).

** - Keep in mind, he's just a 15 y/o kid who's never had a lesson in his life. Jimmy Page he ain't, so keep that in mind. Also, they just set a mic out in front of the amps and played, so don't expect much quality. It's enough to get the point accross, and that what matters.

First one to guess the song gets tickets to woodstock :hippy2:

[rdl]

It's really hard not to get that one after the first few licks --

Trying to scream like Robert Plant here: I've been Dazed and Confused for so long...

[hillman1]

When I was in high school, I use to play along with Zeppelin 1 every day. I used to love that album. Glad to see people still listen to it.

[ken]

haha! Awesome! Well done Nick..

[billandjudy]

I'm pretty much dazed and confused all the time :D I've played for 40 years--Had a band in high school--used to play this myself!! Rock On :tup:

[Mavs00]

Do you play anything?

Nope, not a musical bone in my body.

Glad this was taken in the spirit it was meant. I really found it kinda funny. I still like to listen to older stuff myself, but my Zeppelin days are LONG behind me and it's not really like he "grew up" listening to it. He listens to (and plays) the same stuff I did when I was yonger, stuff like Zeppelin, quite a few Floyd tunes (the other song they recorded was "Wish You Were Here"), some Who. Lots of Gun's n Roses too, in fact we recently banned "Sweet child O' Mine" from the house :eek: He played it well enough, but I just got so GD sick of that song wafting down from his room. I still twitch when I hear it on the radio.

He's really only played a couple years and is really just goofing off in his room, certainly nothing formal. This is really the first time her's ever played with anyone else, so I found it really odd they picked a tune from before MY YOUTH even to start with. Must be that every kid that gets a guitar starts at square one (which is, apparently, Zeppelin tunes :D ).

I figured this crew would get a giggle out of it.

p.s. Pete, I've heard those before, great stuff :tup: . Feel free, post a link to your own tunes if ya got, em. Long as it doesn't go overboard, that's what the "Fun Stuff" in this section means. Apologies to those just looking for hiking stuff.

[judgeh]

Accolades from the time of my wayward youth...far out...cool...groovy

[neighbor]

always admired people who can play instruments. way to go nick, chicks dig that stuff!!! :D
i have a trumpet in the closet,would love to learn how to play it one day.
i saw zep at knebworth fields(sp) in hertfordshire (sp) england in 1979. very cool outdoor show!!!

http://www.knebworthhouse.com/rock/rockconcerts.htm :eek: :D :tup:

[stoopid]

You know I produce some songs (http://www.the-boogiemen.com) in my spare time (haven't in a while, taking a break). Been playing for about 14 years, but started much later than your son (think I was 17 when I bought my first geetar). The fact he's already jamming with someone else at 15 is a sign that he has some skills. FYI - I didn't do drugs until college, so in a few more years you might want to check his dorm room. :D

You'd be surprised how many Rush, Zeppelin, AC/DC, etc teenage fans there are. Not all of them think Limp Biscuit are the next coming. In fact, I've had a chance to listen to the radio since I started a new job 3 months ago, and MOST of what I hear sounds exactly the same song to son.... BY (supposedly) DIFFERENT ARTISTS. Pop radio has become a genre, not a means of playing music anymore. I think this has been a trend for quite a while now, probably since the 80's when everyone wanted to sound like Duran Duran and the Thompson Twins (Electronica Rock). None of that stuff takes very long to master on an instrument. It's fluff, like talking to a blonde high school dropout supermodel.

The reason bands like Rush, ELP, Yes, Zeppelin, and the like are still being played by musicians today is that there's a level of complexity in the music that a musician can appreciate. A real musician pushes their limits of playing ability regularly, it keeps us interested. While in a cover band a few years ago I learned some Tom Petty and Bush songs, both purely pop, and both pure junk. Rehashed bar-chord lines, basic 4/4 beats. Blah. I didn't stay with that gig for long! lol

Much of my music collection is from before I was born (1975). There's still some stuff being produced (like Dream Theater, non-mainstream) that has some complexity, but it's becoming increasingly harder for record companies to justify producing those albums when the quick money can be made with following the status quo.

[Vona]

That's how it all begins. There is a DVD out for a couple years called "Tom Dowd and the Language of Music". Tom Dowd being the recording engineer who created the "Atlantic Sound" and is responsible for the original Zepellin recordings. Anyway, in this biographical dvd there is an interview with Les Paul who besides creating the electric guitar, also was first to use 8 track recording techniques. He references his early days when he was a kid just getting started out when he was in his home studio (the bathroom because of the acoustics) making his first recordings.

So, I would encourage the lad- a few bum notes here and there, otherwise it ain't bad. One thing though to you, Nick, is you have to do a Pete Townsend with that Les Paul :tup: and get yourself a stratocaster- you'll be much better off in the long run. :D

Oh and the notion that modern pop music is "music" is a bit naive. It's about commerce. That's why it is so homogeneous. The sad thing is that it reflects us as a society. If it didn't sell it wouldn't be out there. At the lake placid film fesitval there was a film called "Before the music dies" interesting on this topic.

The good news is that there are some bright points out there. Pick up the latest album from The Derek Trucks Band. It's solid. Thankfully, Eric Clapton has taken this kid under his wing and they are on stage together- which gets Derek the exposure that he deserves.

[pete_hickey]

Listened to it. Nice. There is something about a 'dirty' production that I like. It is REAL. It is something missing from most of the sterile digital productions of today.
Nope, not a musical bone in my body.Too bad. Along with hiking, it is a nice activity to share.... But for me, it's just memories from the past, since the kid pretty much doesn't live at home any more.

and it's not really like he "grew up" listening to it. He listens to (and plays) the same stuff I did when I was yonger It was the same thing with my guy (just the youngest) Around here (at least) there seems to be a 'cult' that likes the older stuff. He used to come home saying, "Did you ever hear of....." And I'd say, "Yeah."

Know what I found amazing? I taught him to play guitar, but it didn't take him long to be a better guitarist than I... Same thing skiing.....hiking ("Hey dad, let me take some weight from your pack. You're moving too slow.") (See how I can move an Off topic thread more on-topic!)

Kids have it 'easy' these days. I don't mean that in a bad sense. I'm envious. The net is such a resource for music, tabs, that wasn't available when I was younger. It lets them go further faster... You know.. kind of like kids grownig up with goretex and GPS (how am I doing at keeping this more on-topic). Heck, even CD's that you can easily stop/restart when trying to learn something. It was a real pain with vinyl...Maybe that's my excuse for not being as good a guitar player as JR. Gotta think of one for skiing and hiking.

He played it well enough, but I just got so GD sick of that song wafting down from his room. I still twitch when I hear it on the radio. You sound like a grouchy old parent.


He's really only played a couple years and is really just goofing off in his room, certainly nothing formal.
That's the way to start.

[Mavs00]

Listened to it. Nice. There is something about a 'dirty' production that I like. It is REAL. It is something missing from most of the sterile digital productions of today.

Yeah, I tried to tell him that songwas a "touch" cleaner, and he would have none of it. I guess when it comes to Zepp the rule of thumb is "heavy on a the reverb, baby". Plus, you may have noticed, he is a real note bender, he just loves doing it, whether the tune calls for it or not. :rolleyes:

In case any case anyone else was interested, here was the other tune they did (Floyd).

Wish you were here (http://www.kdimages.com/wish_you_were_here.mp3) : Warning: direct download - 3.4 MB

In alot of ways, I like this one much better. 1) I think it's a harder song to coordinate and thus, they did a better job (although, it's rough). 2) I'm a sucker for Floyd and Wish you were here is one of my favorite albums.

p.s btw, Nick plays lead and is the second guitar you hear. His buddy is a base player normally and is pretty rough up front and strumming. He's only been playing about the same as Nick. You'll get the idea though. :tup:

Anyway.....

[Willie]

That was fun to listen to. But I think my volume was too high - several attorneys and secretaries were poking their heads in my office wondering what I was listening to. I just told them that I was working on a new copyright infringement case. So much for law firm decorum... :D

[ADKatie]

Another item of note. The cheese-ball silliness you hear at the beginning or end of either song is Anthony, Nick's goofball friend/scoutmate. Kid cracks me up.

I'm thinkin' Led Z wasn't a Boy Scout. OR a hiker. Certainly NOT a bushwacker. Nor, for that matter, most likely, were any of the members of Pink Floyd. I'm just sayin'.

[Mavs00]

Certainly NOT a bushwacker. Nor, for that matter, most likely, were any of the members of Pink Floyd. I'm just sayin'.

Now, now, now..... Don't be so presumptious. Pink was an obvious whacker, how else would he have been able to record, the timeless classic; "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Several_Species_of_Small_Furry_Animals_Gathered_To gether_in_a_Cave_and_Grooving_with_a_Pict)"....

Which, without a has to be one of the weirdest tunes ever recorded.

[AlpineSummit]

AGGHHH - My ears are bleeding!

[masshysteria]

That's how it all begins. There is a DVD out for a couple years called "Tom Dowd and the Language of Music". Tom Dowd being the recording engineer who created the "Atlantic Sound" and is responsible for the original Zepellin recordings. Anyway, in this biographical dvd there is an interview with Les Paul who besides creating the electric guitar, also was first to use 8 track recording techniques. He references his early days when he was a kid just getting started out when he was in his home studio (the bathroom because of the acoustics) making his first recordings.

So, I would encourage the lad- a few bum notes here and there, otherwise it ain't bad. One thing though to you, Nick, is you have to do a Pete Townsend with that Les Paul :tup: and get yourself a stratocaster- you'll be much better off in the long run. :D


The good news is that there are some bright points out there. Pick up the latest album from The Derek Trucks Band. It's solid. Thankfully, Eric Clapton has taken this kid under his wing and they are on stage together- which gets Derek the exposure that he deserves.




Vona, If I'm not mistaken, Tom Dowd had something to do with the Allman Brothers? Specifcally, their "Live at Fillmore" concerts, which many, including myself, consider THE BEST live recordings EVER!

Couldn't agree with you more about Derek Trucks, that kid is a phenom! I just bought a live DVD of the ABB playing at the Beacon in NYC. It is a religious event to watch him play that slide guitar. It's not surprising you say he's working with EC. After all, Derek's mentor, Duane Allman spent some quality time with EC back in the day. What was that called, Derek and the Dominoes....? They made some sweet music together!


Most kids seem to be in tune to the "modern" music out there today. But as they grow older, they seem to gravitate toward the "classics" . My daughter, when she was in her teens, would only listen to FLY 92, the local Rap station. Now she's listening to PYX 106, classic rock, and can play 'Name That Tune' with the best of them. She's not good enough to beat the Old Man, yet...... ;)

Now Nick, find yourself an old bow, a double-necked Strat, and make magic like Jimmy Page did on 'Dazed and Confused"!!

Being almost 50ish, I remember the hippies that Tim mentions, just wasn't old enough to be one. But the garage bands that I remember from the era all had to play their rendition of "Stairway to Heaven". I don't remember any of them ever having any modest success with it. :cry:

[Daniel Eagan]

Vona, If I'm not mistaken, Tom Dowd had something to do with the Allman Brothers? Specifcally, their "Live at Fillmore" concerts, which many, including myself, consider THE BEST live recordings EVER!

In addition to engineering those great Aretha Franklin Atlantic singles, and the best of the early Ray Charles, Tom Dowd also produced and engineered Derek & the Dominos. He introduced Duane Allman to Eric Clapton. Dowd also is responsible for Cream, Blind Faith, and the sound for a lot of the other Atlantic artists.

The fllm Vona mentioned is not only an excellent biography of Dowd, who had an amazing life, but a very good history of the changes in pop music over the past fifty years. (He also demonstrates what it would be like to mix "Layla.")

I take exception to one comment Vona made: "Oh and the notion that modern pop music is 'music' is a bit naive. It's about commerce. That's why it is so homogeneous. The sad thing is that it reflects us as a society."

I can't think of a popular musician from any time period who wasn't trying to make money. Louis Armstrong, Billie Holiday, Hank Williams, Johnny Cash--they were all in it for the "commerce." Read Mozart's letters, and they're almost all about money.

People thought Frank Sinatra was a sell-out back in the 1940s. Are the Beach Boys art or commerce or both? Is "Magic Bus" any less of a song when it is used in a car commercial? There will always be "good" and "bad" pop songs, and if they reflect society at all, it's usually as a snapshot that is constantly changing.

[MattC]

I can definitely relate to this. I started playing guitar at 12, after seeing Black Sabbath at the Glens Falls Civic Center on my 12th birthday. I took lessons on and off, I learned from friends, I taught myself stuff, I stole stuff off records by ear. I sponged up anything I could from any source, w/ no shame. I was into all the classic rock, definitely including Led Zeppelin. This stuff led me into blues, which was the first style I got really "serious" about and is still my forte and probably always will be. Eventually I went back to college in my late twenties and studied classical guitar for a while. I also dabbled in bebop, but don't consider myself a classical or jazz player by any stretch-just a blues player that went to college who takes inspiration from a variety of sources.

Anyhow, I have a non-music day job, and probably always will, but I've played hundreds of paying gigs over the years, overwhelmingly in blues and "roots"-type bands, have given lots of guitar lessons, etc. It's a nice source of extra money and far, far more importantly it's just great fun. I've never played a gig where I didn't enjoy the music I was playing. (Whether or not I enjoyed the place I was playing is another matter entirely). I also find teaching guitar very, very rewarding.

Occasionally a gig will get me to a really fun place-like this coming Saturday I'll be playing a house party in Killington, VT, which as I understand is near some mountains. :D So the point of all this self-centered banter is this-you never know where the jamming in the bedroom at 15 will end up. Even if one never makes any money or plays for an audience, it's still great. Playing music isn't just for "professional" musicians, rock stars, etc.

As for the whole thing about young folks still liking "old" music. I don't see it as a big deal really. If you step back and think about it, British/American pop/rock music of the last 40 years is just a tiny fraction of all the music of the world. There is so much out there: a) from other times, b) from other places, c) that simply hasn't been recorded. The seeming importance of these pop/rock bands is amplified simply because media and commerce projects their music farther afield than many other musics. Also, because of the way the industry is constantly hyping "the next big thing", there is an illusion created that music is actually changing and being inovated constantly (it isn't). So 40 years doesn't really seem all that long to me. There is plenty of music far older than that which is still very vital. JS Bach died over 250 years ago-his music still sounds pretty good. :D

I don't know exactly know why some music is timeless, but I disagree w/ Kevin (Stoopid) that it has to do w/ complexity. John Lee Hooker played very simple music, often based off of one chord! His music sounds as brilliant as ever today and people will continue to listen to it probably for decades, if not centuries. I think there is some great music that is complex, some great music that is very, very simple, and that there is probably boring, dated music both simple and complex as well. I don't think complexity has one iota to do w/ how "good", intesting, exciting, or timeless music is. I love the complex music of Igor Stravinsky and I equally love the fast, short, dumb songs of the Ramones. Both make their musical point w/ equal competence and conviction.

I think whatever makes music timeless and enduring is more intangible. Some people call it "soul" or sincerity. I don't know, I just think some music is convincing and other stuff, not so much. I also agree w/ Daniel Eagan that there is nothing inherently wrong with "pop" music. He mentions some of the greatest musical artists of the 20th century, all of whom wanted to "make it", no doubt. There have always been lots of great musicians who would probably love to "sell out", but nobody's buying.

Wow, I just wrote a lot. That's what y'all get for running a thread about music when I'm near the keyboard. Back to the original point, keep at it Nick, don't worry so much about what anybody thinks, just play what sounds good to you. If you have trouble with a guitar technique issue, just slow down until you get it. Remember to listen very carefully to yourself. Your ears are way more important than your hands. Also, rhythm is ten times more important than pitch-and pitch is really important.

Don't be afraid of more formal study if that's what you want to do. Some folks will tell you that study and discipline will take away your creativity and "soul." Nonsense. Likewise, don't hesitate to just learn your own way if that's what you want. Other folks might say you can't do anything w/ music if you don't learn the "right" way. Equally nonsensical.
Do what makes you happy. It it sounds good, it is good. Rock on. :bang:

Matt

[Neil]

Tim, Sylvie and I listened to Zep 1 and Wish you Were Here and Umma Gumma whiledriving around the Dacks the last couple of weeks.

I started my kids on Old Beatles, Elvis and the Beach Boys when they were 2, 5 and 7. Then I started picking up albums like Zep 1, Dark Side, Close to the Edge. Gradually, the kids went out and bought every album ever produced by the Beatles, the Doors, Zep. Flloyd, The Who, King Crimson, Yes etc. etc. From there we moved to Zappa and Miles Davis. My oldest formed a Zeppilin cover band and played bass, a bit of keyboards and sang and they even got a few gigs. They learned all the Zeppelin tunes by downloading "tabs".

[Vona]

I understand that moving money is a big part of the music industry, but, don't you think the degree to which it is about commerce relative to musicianship, now compared to what it was in 1940-1970 is drastically different? Eric Clapton could have stuck it out with the Yardbirds if he wanted commercial success, but, instead, he went to play with John Mayall to follow his musical and artistic ideals. What are Britney's artistic ideals or musical values?

If you don't agree with me that there is a difference between then and now in that respect, think about and compare the process: Ahmet, Wexler, Dowd, or Nesuhi, all with music chops, scouting talent and promoting etc. Fastforward to today when a show like American Idol is essentially a massive consumer test that allows the music industry to know precisely what people want to hear.

[Daniel Eagan]

don't you think the degree to which it is about commerce relative to musicianship, now compared to what it was in 1940-1970 is drastically different?

Not at all--it just took a different form. Radio in the 1930s and 40s was dominated by shows like Your Hit Parade, which did a top ten every week for almost thirty years. You can hear how disgusted Frank Sinatra got being forced to sing "Pistol Packin' Mama," number one for eight weeks in a row in 1943. The charts were overrun with by sugary pap like "Dream," "Candy," "How Much Is That Doggie in the Window?" etc. A bland singer like Frankie Laine sold more records than Duke Ellington and Billie Holiday combined. Hell, Joni James (remember her?) sold more copies of "Your Cheatin' Heart" than Hank Williams did.

Eric Clapton could have stuck it out with the Yardbirds if he wanted commercial success, but, instead, he went to play with John Mayall to follow his musical and artistic ideals. What are Britney's artistic ideals or musical values?

Clapton left Mayall's group in less than a year because he wasn't making enough money. (The Yardbirds split not long after for the same reason.) He formed Blind Faith simply to make a buck, and his recent Cream reunion tour was nothing but a quick paycheck. Why compare Clapton to Brittney Spears anyway? Why not compare him to Derek Trucks, who is taking a far less commercial road? Then your argument would put Clapton in the worse light.

If you don't agree with me that there is a difference between then and now in that respect, think about and compare the process: Ahmet, Wexler, Dowd, or Nesuhi, all with music chops, scouting talent and promoting etc.

You could say the same about Rick Rubin, Timbaland, Kyle Lehning, Nick Lowe, Jack White, and any number of other smart, talented writers, producers, and engineers who are finding good musicians, crafting intelligent songs, and reaching a responsive audience.

Fastforward to today when a show like American Idol is essentially a massive consumer test that allows the music industry to know precisely what people want to hear.

American Idol is just a TV version of the Amateur Hour, first under Major Bowes, then Ted Mack. Your Hit Parade, which was similar, ran almost thirty years. So did Casey Kasem's countdown. I really don't see much difference in quality or integrity between American Idol and American Bandstand.

[stoopid]

The reason bands like Rush, ELP, Yes, Zeppelin, and the like are still being played by musicians today is that there's a level of complexity in the music that a musician can appreciate.

Matt, I was specifically addressing certain bands and a genre type in my post, certainly not suggesting the only music to be enjoyed requires a degree in music to appreciate. :D

If you poll most rock musicians (since we're talking rock bands lets's stick to one genre at a time!) you'll find certain consistencies in what they consider favorites. Very rarely you'll find Aerosmith, Tom Petty, Whitesnake, etc on those lists. More often than not, simplicity is to dumb down the listener and sell a simple beat. For example, Aerosmith sold twice as many records after "Permenant Vacation" and "Pump" were released than they had prior (it's all on RIAA.org if you're curious). They opened their fanbase up with more accessible songs, and abandonned their roots entirely. They got clean and got face lifts and that was the last we knew of Aerosmith, the musicians :p.

Like Daniel eagan just posted, it's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! This has been true since the first record sold with the picture of the artist on its sleeve. There's only a few gems in the industry who still make the music for themselves. Tool, Dream Theater, King Crimson (although they may have finally retired), Yes, Rush, Pearl Jam, etc are staples of a good rock musician's diet because they SOUND like they have some chops (and do), but more importantly they don't SOUND contrived. Do these bands make money? Hell ya, but they deserve to be able to live off their work. They aren't out there selling their arse for a record, they're playing their arses off! So if Eric Clapton makes 300 million dollars from touring with the old Cream, who cares? They're a good band, work hard, and earn that money. It's the posers that sell an image with no substance that should be living on food stamps.

Listening to the radio is cookie cutter, so naturally if you're not cookie-cutter brain material then you go out and find something that speaks to you. That's what Tim's kid did. He felt something in that music that drew him to it. It's that beacon that calls to musicians I was referring to, and it happens to come in the form of more "interesting" and/or "complex" rock music.

And many Zeppelin songs are simple chord structures (Communication Breakdown comes to mind), which is partly why they're fun for musicians to learn. But to pull the song off as a full band is another thing.

Now I'm rambling.

[Mavs00]

Matt, I was specifically addressing certain bands and a genre type in my post, certainly not suggesting....

.......Now I'm rambling.

HOLY $hit, say it ain't so. :eek:

<--------- I'm with Stoopid

[Prino]

always admired people who can play instruments. way to go nick, chicks dig that stuff!!! :D
i have a trumpet in the closet,would love to learn how to play it one day.
i saw zep at knebworth fields(sp) in hertfordshire (sp) england in 1979. very cool outdoor show!!!

http://www.knebworthhouse.com/rock/rockconcerts.htm :eek: :D :tup:



Hey Neighbor! I was at that show too! along with 109,999 others. What memories!.... Saw Genesis the year before at the same venue.

Great Link by the way.

I've just gone and bought myself an Electric Guitar (couldn't afford a new sports car for my midlife crisis) to join my son who's playing Bass now.

Great rendition of Dazed and Confused there Nick..... keep it going.

[neighbor]

Hey Neighbor! I was at that show too! along with 109,999 others. What memories!.... Saw Genesis the year before at the same venue.

Great Link by the way.

I've just gone and bought myself an Electric Guitar (couldn't afford a new sports car for my midlife crisis) to join my son who's playing Bass now.

Great rendition of Dazed and Confused there Nick..... keep it going.
holy moly!!!!!! that's just wild!!
that was one of the years i was hitchhikin' around europe. i had met this austrailian dude in greece,his name was mike, i told him i'd be flyin' out of london when my trip was over. he was workin' as a delivery guy in england, he had the tickets and asked me if i wanted to go, i said hell ya!!!!!. what a trip. jimmy page pulled out his double necked guitar. i was hangin' on the right side near the edge,about half way back in the crowd,while lookin' at the stage. man those were the days!!!
as far as the link i put up, i figured i'd just google it and see what happened, and low and behold zepps on the page!!! :smash: :bang: :drink:

[hillman1]

It must have been great to see Led Zeppelin in thier prime. I was fortunate enough to catch Page and Plant at Pepsi arena in Albany a few years back. They were incredible, I was 14th row center stage, and when the lights went out, the curtain split behind the drum riser and I saw the outline of Jimmy Page putting the les paul on over his head--then he ripped off a few chords. It was earth shattering. They were on fire for the entire two sets.

[peak_bgr]

Still top three for me. Along with Pink Floyd.

[arm]

SherpaKroto's "Grey Knob and the Bluffs" rocked the house last weekend

http://www.viewsfromthetop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13157

[neighbor]

SherpaKroto's "Grey Knob and the Bluffs" rocked the house last weekend

http://www.viewsfromthetop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13157
ya but did it look like this?????

http://www.knebworthhouse.com/rock/rockconcerts.htm :D :D :D

[stoopid]

It must have been great to see Led Zeppelin in thier prime. I was fortunate enough to catch Page and Plant at Pepsi arena in Albany a few years back. They were incredible, I was 14th row center stage, and when the lights went out, the curtain split behind the drum riser and I saw the outline of Jimmy Page putting the les paul on over his head--then he ripped off a few chords. It was earth shattering. They were on fire for the entire two sets.

Wow, I was at the same show (must have been 1998).

The crowd was still screaming 30 minutes after the show was over, all the way out to the parking lot. Probably the best concert I had ever been to. The next one was Dave Matthews, the WORSE concert I've ever been to and haven't been to another since. :rolleyes:

Of course, I don't remember much in vivid detail from that show. It was about 6 months before I got clean.

[Chimpanzoid]

I'm a big Zep fan, though I never did see them in concert. I spent too much time stalking Jimi. But these days I'm into Radiohead, Muse and the Pixies (in addition to working on my 2nd round of the 46).

Dave--#624

[stoopid]

But these days I'm into Radiohead

The first 3 albums are really great, then they took off into a techno direction I can take/leave.

"Bones" is one of my favorite rock songs of all time. ;)

I don't wanna be crippled and cracked
Shoulders wrists knees and back
Ground to dust and ash
Crawling on all fours

When you've got to feel that in your bones
When you've got to feel that in your bones

Now I can't climb the stairs
Pieces missing everywhere
Prozac painkillers

When you've got to feel that in your bones
When you've got to feel that in your bones
And I used to fly like Peter Pan
All the children flew when I touched their hands
They say you've got to feel that in your bones
They say you've got the feel that in your bones

[neighbor]

Hey Neighbor! I was at that show too! along with 109,999 others. What memories!.... Saw Genesis the year before at the same venue.

Great Link by the way.

I've just gone and bought myself an Electric Guitar (couldn't afford a new sports car for my midlife crisis) to join my son who's playing Bass now.

Great rendition of Dazed and Confused there Nick..... keep it going.
prino! check this out!! remember this???? huh do ya???
live at knebworth my brotha!!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3682779219643135018&q=led+zeppelin+live+at+knebworth

[hawk]

I think this thread should be closed. Has less relevence to hiking thenthe one on gas that was closed.

After all, this IS a HIKING FORUM.

[neighbor]

I think this thread should be closed. Has less relevence to hiking thenthe one on gas that was closed.

After all, this IS a HIKING FORUM.
aww c.mon hawk, you like zepp doncha?? :D

[dog]

Thank you , neighbor and ledwallet :) :tup: .

[hawk]

aww c.mon hawk, you like zepp doncha?? :D

Of course i do. But the thread I strted asking about the MPG was closed by Neil and the reason given was that this is a Hiking Forum.

So if only hiking things are permitted, then why would one thread be kept open and another closed?

That's my point.

I think that it's either one or the other. If only hiking topics are permitted, then NO OTHER topics should be allowed.

It's just a matter of it's it's hard and fast, or if it's selective.

That's the reason I questioned this thred being open, and for that matter Doug's thread about addiction to auctions, I found that interesting even though I didn't comment on it.

I'm looking for a clarification. this section is supposedly for "off topic" stuff, and that's where it was posted.

[neighbor]

Of course i do. But the thread I strted asking about the MPG was closed by Neil and the reason given was that this is a Hiking Forum.

So if only hiking things are permitted, then why would one thread be kept open and another closed?

That's my point.

I think that it's either one or the other. If only hiking topics are permitted, then NO OTHER topics should be allowed.

It's just a matter of it's it's hard and fast, or if it's selective.

That's the reason I questioned this thred being open, and for that matter Doug's thread about addiction to auctions, I found that interesting even though I didn't comment on it.

I'm looking for a clarification. this section is supposedly for "off topic" stuff, and that's where it was posted.
oh..... but that vid was sweet wasn't it!! man you must remember some of those tunes!! good times for sure!!

[Mavs00]

Hawk, DO WE HAVE TO DO THIS..... Read the rules........ Neil made a judgement that your MPH thread was quasi-political (or headed that way), based on the way you posted to the same topic on ADKforum, I think he was right to do so.

3) Topics/discussion should generally be relevant to the nature of this site (i.e. hiking and backcountry travel in the Adirondacks). However, there is some latitude for discussions outside this topic (brief ones) as long as it does not alter the completion and overall nature of this site

We are pretty lenient on this one... You recently posted a joke about a monkey and a POODLE (http://www.adkhighpeaks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2250). We let it slide... even though it had nothing to do with hiking. As long as we can keep it fun, it'll generally stay. That's why ths one did.

4) There are several topics that are not allowed under any circumstances and any post containing them will be deleted immediately and the user subject to “loss of privileges”. THIS INCLUDES AVATARS, IMAGES AND SIGNATURES with images or text containing these topics. Members witnessing such, are encouraged to report violations without delay.

Politics is number one.... Neil felt you were flirting with two rules (3 & 4), so he closed it. Bottom line, we do try to allow latitude (certainly with OT), but there are limits. Your post went over it.

Come to think of it, you've done alot of complaining lately. Why bother, if your unhappy here, just stop coming. That'd be a shame and we'd miss you, but we certainly don't be need you to be continually tell us how messed up we are here. This admittedly off topic thread will remain..... so long as it doesn't denigrate in unpleasant areas...... Like things you did to enhance your concert experience. :D

It's a moderation judgment..... and it's final.

[Prino]

Of course i do. But the thread I strted asking about the MPG was closed by Neil and the reason given was that this is a Hiking Forum.

So if only hiking things are permitted, then why would one thread be kept open and another closed?

That's my point.

I think that it's either one or the other. If only hiking topics are permitted, then NO OTHER topics should be allowed.

It's just a matter of it's it's hard and fast, or if it's selective.

That's the reason I questioned this thred being open, and for that matter Doug's thread about addiction to auctions, I found that interesting even though I didn't comment on it.

I'm looking for a clarification. this section is supposedly for "off topic" stuff, and that's where it was posted.

You have a good point Hawk... but where does one draw the line on "Misc. Tidbits & Fun Stuff" ?

I hiked a heck of a long way around Knebworth Field to get a decent view of Zep on August 4th 1979 by the way. :D

Thanks for the Video link Neighbor :tup:

[Mavs00]

Here are a couple of WAY better examples of Nick shredding some tunes. Here is Nick playing some much more challenging stuf from Pink Floyd. Here he is playing the two guitar solo's from Comfortably Numb.

First, the master himself DAVID GILMORE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mes_BvrEDII)

And now Nick -

Here is SOLO #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa25HoP6ekc)
and also SOLO #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRxahJNFcmc) (much harder to play)

Feel free to vote or comment. :tup:

[dog]

youtube demand a registration , so , I comment here .
All rock guys did theirs best in 20 ths . And there are not successeful reincarnations :cry: .
Nick has time and , lools like , a drive . Good luck ! :) :tup: .

[stoopid]

Tim, I agree that is one of the best solos ever. Freewill (Rush) and most of Jimi's playing also qualifies. Lynard Skynyrd (http://www.lynyrdskynyrd.com/videos2006.htm) anyone? :D

[Vona]

See, now he's gone TOO FAR :D . One can accept a Les Paul on a Zepellin tune. But, if one is going to shred like Gilmore, one must acquire a proper axe. :twisted: I know where there is a well-priced* used Fender Stratocaster American Standard if one were looking for an appropriate axe. :bang:

Of course, this is all in jest.

Well done- keep it up!

*The price on it was so good, I nearly bought it but since I have a strat, and another strat, and a tele, well- I just didn't need it.

[Neil]

Of course i do. But the thread I strted asking about the MPG was closed by Neil and the reason given was that this is a Hiking Forum.

So if only hiking things are permitted, then why would one thread be kept open and another closed?

That's my point.

I think that it's either one or the other. If only hiking topics are permitted, then NO OTHER topics should be allowed.

It's just a matter of it's it's hard and fast, or if it's selective.

That's the reason I questioned this thred being open, and for that matter Doug's thread about addiction to auctions, I found that interesting even though I didn't comment on it.

I'm looking for a clarification. this section is supposedly for "off topic" stuff, and that's where it was posted.

I just saw this today and thought it over a bit. More than anything, what made me close the thread was this:

And Bush certainly has no control over gasoline taxes in NY state so in the future I would ask that you wait until proof of anything you might suspect before telling me how long a rope I have.

Or PM me with questions you might ask me. That's what I do when I have questions of someone, as you know from the past.

It was the tone, the unpleasant nature of the post as much as the political or otherwise O/T nature of the thread (which seemed like a rant). Maybe I could have said, "I don't like where this is headed, I'm closing it" but hindsight is 20-20.

This OT thread is OTOH lighthearted and fun. So, like all rules there is a certain degree of suppleness and interpretation. I don't think I'll close this thread.

[AlpineSummit]

On a serious note:
Just wanna be sure that you all realize and agree that Eric Clapton is the finest to have ever picked up a guitar on this or any other planet.

If so; Let The Thread Remain

[hawk]

Ah Got It. it's OK for you folks to make assumptions and publically make comments but it's not Ok for the person the comments were made to, to make a reply!! At least that seems like what you're saying, but I'm sure that's not what you mean, at least I hope not.

It's simple. like I told Tim in a PM, if you have a question about my motives, PM me, and I'll explain them to you. It's what I do when I have a problem with someone, as you well know. I have PM'd you in the past on certain matters which were better kept private instead of public. So in the future I would prefer that I be given the same respect I try to give everyone else.

For the record, there was nothing "political" intended about that thread on my part. it was a legitimate question about the MPG and l when i mentioned the NY Gas taxes and the politicians, it was generic, in general with no reference to any individual or party, and it was factual. We all have to drive to get to trailheads, some from great distances so I think that gas prices and mpg is certainly not that far off topic.

And I imagine that it was also of interest since Tim chose to respond, with an excellent answer by the way, on the ADKforum, where the same thread was posted, a carbon copy, which got replies, none of which were "political" or "turned nasty" as it was feared. In fact i think it turned out to be informative.

So, any issues, unless I am obviously out of line,
PM me. If you choose to comment about my intentions or what mght be publicly, then I will defend my position publicly.

fair enough?


I just saw this today and thought it over a bit. More than anything, what made me close the thread was this:


It was the tone, the unpleasant nature of the post as much as the political or otherwise O/T nature of the thread (which seemed like a rant). Maybe I could have said, "I don't like where this is headed, I'm closing it" but hindsight is 20-20.

This OT thread is OTOH lighthearted and fun. So, like all rules there is a certain degree of suppleness and interpretation. I don't think I'll close this thread.

[AlpineSummit]

Please.
This is needlessly peeing in the pool and we're having a pool party.

Hiking in the hills is all part of fantasyland and that includes this site. Using the extra 10 bucks you'd spend in 8 hrs of driving to the trailhead in no way makes it worthwhile to be talking gas prices, motives behind 'em, etc. in anything more than a passing comment. Using that and many other topics to launch a political debate isn't why we're here. We're here to talk about hiking and how that relates to more hiking so that we can have more of a good time in the woods hiking. And when we get back our friends will ask us what we did and we'll say we went hiking and now I'm on my forum talking about,,,,,,you guessed it,,,,,HIKING!

Now, do we all agree on Eric Clapton or what?

[hawk]

Now, do we all agree on Eric Clapton or what?

Eric Who???? Is he related to Todd Rundgren?

[Vona]

On a serious note:
Just wanna be sure that you all realize and agree that Eric Clapton is the finest to have ever picked up a guitar on this or any other planet.

If so; Let The Thread Remain

Wow. How did you get in my head and have my thought? :p

Just saw the old man at MSG last Thursday making a full dozen number of times seeing him since 1990. He just gets better and better. :tup: :tup: :tup:

Although, I would qualify your statement with "....ever picked up a guitar since 1960...."

Django is a force that can't be ignored.

[Mavs00]

See, now he's gone TOO FAR :D . One can accept a Les Paul on a Zepellin tune. But, if one is going to shred like Gilmore, one must acquire a proper axe. :twisted: I know where there is a well-priced* used Fender Stratocaster American Standard if one were looking for an appropriate axe. :bang:

Hmmmmmmm. That's funny, Here comes Sir David NOW (http://www.davidgilmour.com/gallery/gallery2/16.htm), and imagine that, sporting a Gibson Les Paul too (Honeyburst too, Just like Nick's).

I will give you that a fender strat is the preferred weapon for that particular battle. However, when your 15 and have yet to have a paying gig, you get one "axe" to grind...... It's like my first suit, I wore it for weddings, funerals and everything in between :tup:

[Neil]

On a serious note:
Just wanna be sure that you all realize and agree that Eric Clapton is the finest to have ever picked up a guitar on this or any other planet.

No way José.
Everyone knows it's Keith Richards.

[funkyfreddy]

On a serious note:
Just wanna be sure that you all realize and agree that Eric Clapton is the finest to have ever picked up a guitar on this or any other planet.

One of the greats, no doubt..... but my 2 favorites are Jimi Hendrix and Robert Fripp. :) David Gilmour is probably the most tasteful rock guitarist I've ever heard, he rarely wastes a note...... a superb player!

[Neil]

Robert Fripp. Definitely a genius. Uncanny knack for recruiting genius drummers too.
Anyone ever heard of Leo Kottke?

For garage band raunch: Neil Young.

[Vona]

While Eric Clapton will always reign supreme in my ears, I have to lift my glass to the present-day Pete Townshend. He has honed a sound with the modified strat/Fender amp plus effects combo that he has now that is distinctly his own and I think as far as rhythm guitar playing goes- no one can hold a candle to him.

The encore a few nights ago, also at MSG, was a "Reader's Digest" version of Tommy. The new arrangment they played of "Sparks" was truly outstanding. You can't modify the word "Powerful" to articulate it.

[Jay H]

Yup, enjoy a bit of Leo Kottke. He is definitely very distinctive...

As far as guitarists go, growing up a huge Pink Floyd fan, I second Fred's David Gilmour praise.

Also a big SRV fan myself too, and of course, Jimi.

Jay

[Mavs00]

That list is CRAP.....

Waaaaay, to metal dominated. Any TOP-guitarist lists that goes to 100 and ignores names like BB King, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Clapton, Bo Diddley & T Bone is pure bunk.

Perhaps they weren't in the fluffy Genre's, but those boys could make those things sing in that style.

[hawk]

And no Todd Rundgren??

Not the greatest Guitar player but if you heard his riff on the Ra album, you have to assume that any list that omits him is not to ccomprehensive!!

[neighbor]

That list is CRAP.....

Waaaaay, to metal dominated. Any TOP-guitarist lists that goes to 100 and ignores names like BB King, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Clapton, Bo Diddley & T Bone is pure bunk.

Perhaps they weren't in the fluffy Genre's, but those boys could make those things sing in that style.
10-4 on that!!!
the list is lame at best.
heavy metal? :rolleyes: too much make-up and all out screamin' !
that aint music to me.
real muscians rely on their talent as musicians and leave the make-up wearin' to the groupie chicks!! :D
sit back and listen here!!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1445259825700629552&q=stevie+ray+vaughn&hl=en

[pete_hickey]

IJeff Beck is on there. I find him a very interesting guitarist... He really plays with dynamics, which very few guitarists do. Neai Young is another one that I find interesting.

In general, I find guitarists 'interesting' I have no idea how to compare two different guitarists, and say which one is better.

[Vona]

IJeff Beck is on there. I find him a very interesting guitarist... He really plays with dynamics, which very few guitarists do. Neai Young is another one that I find interesting.

In general, I find guitarists 'interesting' I have no idea how to compare two different guitarists, and say which one is better.

EXACTLY. How can one compare something like Jeff Beck's song "Loose Cannon" to Eric Clapton's performance of "NSU" during last year's Cream reunion.

It's simply impossible.

I saw Jeff Beck in a small club on September 11th for the 6th time. I think about the only thing louder is the shuttle taking off. :eek: His music defies categorization. He is simply, Jeff Beck and I love him for that.

[ADKJack]

I will throw out a couple of names from a few different genres that I would include as great guitarist
Leadbelly,
Robert Cray
Robert Johnson
Peter Frampton (yes really)
Jimmy Page
EC
George Thourhogood
Elliot Fisk
T. Bone Walker
John Entwistle (O.K. Bass)
The Edge

[Frodo]

Gilmour is the best I have ever heard. You know your an incredible guitar player when very few people try and cover you...

I am also a big fan of Mike McCready of Pearl Jam...

Cool to see the Rundgren reference. The RA album is awsome! "Hiroshima" along with "Sing Ring and the Glass Guitar" are phenomenal :tup:

[Rick]

Lotta rockers here huh?

I spent the 80s in wasteland spinning dance tunes and alternative rock at nightclubs in Buffalo and Niagara Falls (as well as working as part of the stage crew for many many concerts at Darien Lakes).
I did work as high steel stage crew for the Stone's Steel Wheels Tour in '89. In fact, it was rock that got me into climbing, since I had to go to EMS and get a harness, webbing and and some beaners to work on the stage structure.
....So, in fact, it does all come back to climbing, doesn't it?? :tup:

[Neil]

What about....

Geo. Harrison
Steve Howe

Nothin' I can do about it, After all these years I'm still stuck on those first 5 minutes of Close to the Edge. Check out the cymbal work. Bruford rocks. Oops! Sorry. This is a guitar thread. My bad.

[Jay H]

Close to the Edge...MMmm, my favorite Yes album.

I thought I'd mention also Albert King, a great blues guitarist from a different genre than the rockers and heavy metal guitarists.

Jay

[Prino]

Always been big on the "Prog" guitarists.... Steve Howe, Steve Hackett, Dave Gilmour Etc. but for the last 12 years my #1 all time favourite has been..... PAT METHENY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re_xVzTybU8) It starts out slow but well worth watching to the end. Take a look at the comments and responses.
Another if you are interested.... First Circle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3RL7Lsd2gI&NR)

P.S. I used to hate jazz, but this guy opened me up to a whole new realm of music

[Vona]

Question- For all of those who are establishing a position for one guitar player or another- how many of you are basing your judgement on seeing (or hearing) the performer live, vs on a studio recording?

[Mark Schaefer]

I have always been a fan of Clapton and Hendrix. I would be hard pressed to name the guitarists in most of the bands I like, Led Zeppelin or any other.

I saw Todd Rundgren perform at Woodstock 1994. I enjoyed the performance, but he did not impress me as a "list man".

I agree that there is way too much metal on the Guitar World list. Perhaps someone will propose a bluegrass list. And how about Jose Feliciano, Carlos Santana, or even Mason Williams.

My own two cents. No discussion of the great could be complete without classical guitarists. I realize for some this is a cure for insomnia. I won't try to convince you that they surpass the talent of the guys listed above, but they are in a decidedly different dexterity league. I did notice the other Eliot Fisk fan :tup: -- he does have the fingers of God.

It is difficult to say how great the guitar masters were, going back to Gaspar Sanz (1640-1710). There are no recordings, just compositions. Fernando Sor (the Beethoven of the guitar), Mauro Giuliani, Francisco Tarrega, and the cross-over from violin Nicoli Paganini were all considered great. My own favorite among the masters is Agustin Barrios (1885-1944, Paraguay) -- perhaps the Bach of the guitar. A few scratchy but amazing Barrios recordings exist. Not many guitarists attempt to play his more difficult compositions.

My top 10 of the contemporary and near past in alphabetic order (comparisons are too hard):
Manuel Barrueco
Eliot Fisk
Sharon Isbin
Alexandre Lagoya
Christopher Parkening
Ida Presti
Angel Romero
Pepe Romero
John Williams
Narciso Yepes
No Andres Segovia? Important yes, but I don't believe in grandfathering on the list. I have seen 5 of the 10 on my list perform live, and 3 others live on TV. Vona is right. Anything can get improved/fixed in the mix so a live performance is the best judge.

OK, you may resume jamming and riffing now. I'll head back to left field. :D

[neighbor]

alvin lee, :tup: ten years after

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4325628803664817506&q=ten+years+after&hl=en

[MattC]

This is great fun "goofing off", when we should be discussing serious topics like how deep a certain col is, the lighest weight compass lanyard, etc.

That Guitar World list isn't actually a representation of what guitarists think, it's a representation of what guitarists who read Guitar World (and who bothered to vote) think. The readership of those guitar magazines seems to slant towards metal-type players for whatever reasons. I think the bias towards metal players is basically just a reflextion of the general feeling among many consumers of music that complex=good, technical proficiency=good, etc. Part of this bias involves an inordinate amount of attention focused on single line guitar solos.

Since "good" is a subjective term, I'll offer my definition-I think a good musician is simply one who articulates their musical message clearly and sincerly. That's it. That's why I think Johnny Ramone is just as "good" a guitarist as any of those other rock guys. Angus Young is another terrific rock player in my book. Heck, Malcolm Young for that matter-"only" a rhythm player, but that's all he needs to contribute to his band's musical message, and he does a damn fine job. Great "solos" aren't all there is to guitar playing, by any stretch. Freddie Green of Count Basie's band spent most of his career laying down four chords to the bar, while horn players played the solos.

In certain genres, such as classical, a certain level of technical proficiency is required to articulate one's musical message. So all those people Mark lists are certainly very good in that sense. As one who has studied that stuff a bit, I can attest to his statement about "decidely different dexterity league". Not that I ever approached that league in my studies, but my studies gave me an appreciation for the depth of that league. In most rock bands, a "guitar solo" is a single line played with a pick while the other musicians maintain the rhythm and harmonic progression. In classical guitar, a "solo" means an entire piece arranged for one player to perform, melody, harmony, rhythm, etc. The classical guitar has been referred to as a little orchestra for good reason. I remember playing a classical guitar recording for one of my blues buddies once and he said "That's one guy?!" But again, if the musical message of a classical guitarist doesn't move you, it's doesn't matter how proficient the player is-it won't sound "good" to you.

So after all this ranting, I agree with a lot of Mark's classical list. Barrios is one of my favorite composers as well. Some of his stuff is just heartbreakingly beautiful-I used to play "Julia Florida" when I was in school. Barrueco is actaully playing this Friday an SUNY New Paltz as part of Unison's season. Haven't decided if I'll go yet, I'll probably be kicking myself if I don't.

Also nice to see some shout-outs for blues, the genre in which I am most proficient. I could go on all day about this one-lots of great players out there. Some my favorites tend to also be great singers (Otis Rush, Freddy King, Magic Sam), great accompanists to blues harp players (Robert Jr. Lockwood, Luther Tucker), quirky in some way (Albert Collins, Hubert Sumlin), or just somehow great (Eddie Taylor). And that's just the electric players.

Then there's the genre where sometimes classical proficiency and bluesy funk intersect-jazz. Django has been mentioned, and I won't disagree. He did stuff with two good fingers that we're still trying to catch up with. If he didn't have any fingers, he probably would have figured out how to play with his nose or something. Charlie Christian was another towering figure in early jazz guitar.

But why all this about guitar anyway?? There is so much more to music. It's like talking about exploring the backcountry and only focusing on hiking tall mountains. Oh wait, sorry... :D

Matt

[Mavs00]

But why all this about guitar anyway??

Ummmmmm, Go back and read the first post :rolleyes: ......... It sorta morphed. Lets not completly get goofy on musical theory, which could generate about a billion more posts. Light hearted chit chat along the same lines is coll, but it could get ridiculous if we let it....... LET'S NOT :D

I think the bias towards metal players is basically just a reflextion of the general feeling among many consumers of music that complex=good, technical proficiency=good, etc. Part of this bias involves an inordinate amount of attention focused on single line guitar solos.

Since "good" is a subjective term, I'll offer my definition-I think a good musician is simply one who articulates their musical message clearly and sincerly. That's it.

I would agree, which is why classic blues guys tend to get rated pretty well guitar-wise..... Many of the greatest, were very UNCOMPLEX (technically), yet rawley powerful in the emotional aspect.

Here's two examples:

BB KING - The thrill is gone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLAuftVHX24) - I mean come on, even a musical idiot like me can here the beauty of that.

.. and here's one from a guy who's relitively obscure in the scheme of things (already mentioned here though :tup: ), but his licks are pretty damn good. He practicaly invented electricity - T Bone Walker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1vGnF9ZUpw)

[stoopid]

That list is worthless. Is Clapton even on there? Oh, that's right, he probably didn't make it cuz CC Deville did. Poison Rocks!

Exactly. Where's Stevie Ray too...

There's a 'better list' out there, having a hard time finding it though...

Like someone pointed out, the readers determine what guitarists show up. Guitar PLAYER is a much better magazine, but I can't seem to find the results of their last poll.

Guitar World is pop crap for newb guitarists.

[stoopid]

This one is definitely more 'accurate', and covers the wide range of styles out there...

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/10/29/151224.php

1 Jimi Hendrix (553 / 51 / 22)
2 eric clapton (968 / 42 / 1)
3 Jimmy Page (1073 / 40 / 4)
4 Stevie Ray Vaughan (1098 / 35 / 2)
5 Eddie van Halen (1128 / 36 / 2)
6 Jeff Beck (1233 / 32 / 1)
7 Carlos Santana (1405 / 27 / 1)
8 Joe Satriani (1420 / 23 / 2)
9 B. B. King (1451 / 26 / 0)
10 Steve Vai (1497 / 20 / 0)
11 Duane Allman (1500 / 23 / 0)
12 Keith Richards (1556 / 19 / 0)
13 David Gilmour (1568 / 19 / 0)
14 Pete Townshend (1590 / 18 / 0)
15 Frank Zappa (1641 / 16 / 0)
16 Yngwie Malmsteen (1662 / 12 / 3)
17 Randy Rhoads (1670 / 15 / 1)
18 George Harrison (1685 / 17 / 0)
19 Andres Segovia (1693 / 10 / 3)
20 Brian May (1699 / 15 / 0)
21 Chuck Berry (1700 / 12 / 0)
22 Kirk Hammett (1710 / 13 / 1)
23T Angus Young (1712 / 14 / 0)
23T Mark Knopfler (1712 / 13 / 0)
25 Chet Atkins (1716 / 11 / 0)
26 Jerry Garcia (1728 / 12 / 0)
27 Slash (1729 / 11 / 0)
28 Robert Fripp (1742 / 12 / 0)
29 Django Reinhardt (1743 / 9 / 2)
30 Wes Montgomery (1746 / 10 / 1)
31 Richard Thompson (1751 / 10 / 1)
32T John Petrucci (1757 / 8 / 0)
32T Steve Morse (1757 / 9 / 0)
34 Al Di Meola (1760 / 9 / 0)
35 Ry Cooder (1784 / 8 / 1)
36 Tom Morello (1786 / 10 / 0)
37 The Edge (1792 / 10 / 0)
38T Ritchie Blackmore (1796 / 10 / 0)
38T Robert Johnson (1796 / 10 / 0)
40 Les Paul (1799 / 9 / 1)
41 John McLaughlin (1804 / 8 / 0)
42 eric johnson (1809 / 7 / 1)
43 Pat Metheny (1810 / 7 / 0)
44 Buddy Guy (1811 / 7 / 0)
45T Charlie Christian (1823 / 5 / 0)
45T Neil Young (1823 / 9 / 1)
47 Lindsey Buckingham (1824 / 7 / 0)
48 Robin Trower (1829 / 6 / 0)
49 Tony Iommi (1831 / 8 / 0)
50T John Frusciante (1832 / 8 / 0)
50T Kurt Cobain (1832 / 7 / 0)
52 Steve Howe (1834 / 7 / 0)
53T Albert King (1843 / 6 / 0)
53T Joe Perry (1843 / 8 / 0)
53T Jorma Kaukonen (1843 / 6 / 2)
56 Leo Kottke (1844 / 6 / 0)
57 Ted Nugent (1849 / 4 / 0)
58T Alex Lifeson (1852 / 4 / 2)
58T Dave Mustaine (1852 / 5 / 1)
60 Steve Cropper (1864 / 5 / 0)
61 Gary Moore (1866 / 5 / 0)
62 Roy Buchanan (1867 / 5 / 0)
63T Billy Gibbons (1868 / 4 / 0)
63T James Hetfield (1868 / 4 / 0)
65 Zakk Wylde (1869 / 4 / 0)
66T Adrian Smith (1871 / 4 / 0)
66T Johnny Winter (1871 / 5 / 0)
68 Lightnin' Hopkins (1872 / 4 / 0)
69T Peter Green (1875 / 5 / 0)
69T Stephen Stills (1875 / 5 / 0)
71 Dick Dale (1878 / 4 / 0)
72 Joe Walsh (1879 / 5 / 0)
73 Michael Angelo (1880 / 3 / 0)
74 Danny Gatton (1881 / 5 / 0)
75 Marty Friedman (1888 / 3 / 0)
76 Rory Gallagher (1889 / 3 / 1)
77T Bonnie Raitt (1890 / 6 / 0)
77T Frank Marino (1890 / 4 / 0)
77T Roy Clark (1890 / 3 / 0)
80T Dickey Betts (1891 / 4 / 0)
80T Harvey Mandel (1891 / 3 / 0)
80T Lee Ritenour (1891 / 3 / 0)
83 Neil Schon (1893 / 4 / 0)
84T John Fogerty (1895 / 5 / 0)
84T Peter Frampton (1895 / 3 / 0)
86T Bill Frisell (1896 / 3 / 1)
86T Tommy Bolin (1896 / 3 / 0)
88 Trey Anastasio (1897 / 3 / 0)
89T Alvin Lee (1898 / 3 / 0)
89T George Benson (1898 / 4 / 0)
89T Stanley Jordan (1898 / 4 / 0)
92T Bruce Springsteen (1901 / 2 / 1)
92T John Scofield (1901 / 3 / 0)
94T dave navarro (1902 / 3 / 0)
94T Gary Rossington (1902 / 2 / 0)
96T Dimebag Darrell (1903 / 3 / 0)
96T Micheal Romeo (1903 / 2 / 0)
96T Sonny Landreth (1903 / 2 / 0)
99 Adrian Legg (1905 / 2 / 0)
100T Mike Bloomfield (1906 / 4 / 0)
100T Tim Reynolds (1906 / 2 / 0)

That's the last poll I'll post, promise :D.

[knuckledragger]

Neil's picture on his avatar Iswear he looks just like Trey Anastasio from Phish.

[Prino]

Question- For all of those who are establishing a position for one guitar player or another- how many of you are basing your judgement on seeing (or hearing) the performer live, vs on a studio recording?

I've seen live all the guitar players I mentioned at least five times each except Gilmour (3)

[masshysteria]

Tony Iommi ? Good grief!!

[hawk]

I've seen live all the guitar players I mentioned at least five times each except Gilmour (3)

You mean you don't spend all your free time in the woods or on a forum??


BAN HIM! setting a bad example -( Actually Having A Life!)

[Prino]

You mean you don't spend all your free time in the woods or on a forum??


BAN HIM! setting a bad example -( Actually Having A Life!)

With only three hikes under my belt this year, I'd hardly call this having a life....
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