Mt. Adams Firetower (work weekend - April 10-11)

[Mavs00]

Okay, time to start this thread. We have much to do..... So far, here is the deal and who's involved.

Overall Coordinator:
Mavs

Construction Manager(s):
Alistair & MasterGrasshopper

Workers:
KWC
Num-Num
Neil
Dick
Randomscooter
WinterWarlock
ADKJack

We'll have some lodging at the Jackrabbit for Friday and Saturday night and food for Saturday ( :D ). I have located some detailed blue prints (several of them) for the tower itself. I'm also told that there are some additional things we'll need. One thing that we will desperately need is someone with metal working construction skills. We'll be fabricating metal roof structure with a 100 year old design. We may need to be creative and may need to employ a little pre-done steel fabrication work (any suggestions).

A lot of this will be riveted, so we need some help from some familiar with that sort of stuff. I'll work on getting the necessary plans into the right hands so we can start ordering stuff.

Alistair will be taking the lead as it related to the construction project. That's what he does and he'll be making the project runs as smoothly as a bunch of amateurs can.

I've been in contact with a few very knowledgeable folks that have done past reconstructions. The job can be really complicated, or not as much. Let's hope for the later. Seeing that this tower was, as recently as 2008, open to the public, that most of the work that needs to be done is not structural, and just putting the roof back on. We'll know more when the engineers have done their work.

Still looking for a few volunteers.......... particularly of the skilled variety that are familiar with construction, metal working, etc.... :D

More to come......

[alistair]

I'd like to nominate MG (Glen) as Construction Manager II (since that is what he does!!)

[ADKJack]

I'd like to nominate MG (Glen) as Construction Manager II (since that is what he does!!)

I second that :tup:

[Mavs00]

I second that :tup:

Updated................

[Tmax]

I am not of the "skilled variety" but I'm a worker:). Count me in for whatever I can help with.

[Mikie]

I have done quite a bit of metal work, and have loads of tools. I don't have a heavy duty brake, which you will need.

I would take a trip to the Catskills and look at the stainless steel roof put on the Balsam Lake Mountain Fire Tower. The design and workmanship is outstanding. I would contact Tom and Laurie Rankin for more information. They are the most knowledgeable. The roof on BLM will last longer then the tower itself.

You should also check the anchors. They are the most critical part of the towers. I have all the equipment and knowledge to replace them. You might also want to check the bolts. They do wear out, and should be replaced. I can point you to the best source.

[Mikie]

A lot of this will be riveted, so we need some help from some familiar with that sort of stuff. I'll work on getting the necessary plans into the right hands so we can start ordering stuff.

I haven't seen your design, so I want to be careful on my comments. But, let me tell you a few things about rivets. Most rivets are aluminum. You can get steel and stainless steel rivets. But, the biggest problem is if water gets in between the seams, it will blow out the rivets. I would venture to guess that water will get in between the seams, and this can be a premature failure item. I would use stainless steel bolts instead. A common source for these items are: http://www.pointe-products.com/ . Had very good luck with them, and their prices are great.

[alistair]

I haven't seen your design, so I want to be careful on my comments. But, let me tell you a few things about rivets. Most rivets are aluminum. You can get steel and stainless steel rivets. But, the biggest problem is if water gets in between the seams, it will blow out the rivets. I would venture to guess that water will get in between the seams, and this can be a premature failure item. I would use stainless steel bolts instead. A common source for these items are: http://www.pointe-products.com/ . Had very good luck with them, and their prices are great.

My concern is the skill needed to construct a metal roof. I have not seen the design yet so I don't know anything about the details.

[hdscooterfool]

I'm not a contractor, more like a backyard fix/build-anything type. I am good with steel, wood, houses, cars, etc. I'm a 46r, so I can get in there. I have a lot of tools including an ox/acetylene torch. I have a bunch of chains and some fabric slings for rigging to a crane or 'copter. I am curious to see plans or blueprints that might detail how this roof should be built. I'm also curious about where you'd build it, is this something that gets airlifted from Ray Brook (seems too far away), or from the Upper Works Road, or is it built at the peak? I can cut angle iron, etc and bolt things together. I'm not a certified welder, but I can arc weld a bit (I can't weld overhead) and I can braze like a champ. I also work for the DEC as an air pollution engineer, but I am not so sure that that would enhance anything on this project (maybe make it worse), but .... well, er .... you never know. I'd be interested in assisting on this task, but probably only if this is a brisk-paced get-it-done sort of momentum on the timeline. I'm suspecting that the build-up of the roof would occur for some weeks ahead of the actual lift, correct?

[TFR]

I have done quite a bit of metal work, and have loads of tools. I don't have a heavy duty brake, which you will need.

I would take a trip to the Catskills and look at the stainless steel roof put on the Balsam Lake Mountain Fire Tower. The design and workmanship is outstanding. I would contact Tom and Laurie Rankin for more information. They are the most knowledgeable. The roof on BLM will last longer then the tower itself.

You should also check the anchors. They are the most critical part of the towers. I have all the equipment and knowledge to replace them. You might also want to check the bolts. They do wear out, and should be replaced. I can point you to the best source.Unfortunately, the roof is leaking right now! :eek: But it was done by professional metal workers, who donated their time.

Contact Laurie off-line for details, I was not involved at the time.

[slamdog]

Myself and the Chief (Mike) are in for working. I think Ward might be available as well, but waiting to hear. My brother in law is a commercial roofer, specializing in metal and rubber applications. I could probably get him to construct a standing seam metal roof that we could transport. He has been working in Massena on a job. If this is an interest, and anyone who has any specs could forward those to me, I can do some further checking. We have loads of 18V tools, compressors, trucks etc. Let me know how we can be of help. We're really looking forward to working on the project. L

[Mikie]

Unfortunately, the roof is leaking right now! But it was done by professional metal workers, who donated their time.

Try using OSI Micro Gutter Premium Sealer. I think you can even get it at Lowe's. It is a synthetic rubberized material. It remains permanently flexible, and will adhere to just about anything. It is also self-leveling, so it will level smooth with the roof. That way ice and snow will not rip it off. The only issue is that you will have to apply it on the top of the roof. You would probably have to remove one of the panels from the cabin. But, you will have to do this with anything you use. Personally, I would have used it in between all the panels. You could also remove each panel and apply it without ever having to climb onto the roof.

[ADK88]

School = :cry:
WFR rescue scenarios all day.

I hope you all have a blast! I'll keep an eye out for the second work day.

[Mavs00]

I'm not a contractor, more like a backyard fix/build-anything type. I am good with steel, wood, houses, cars, etc. I'm a 46r, so I can get in there. I have a lot of tools including an ox/acetylene torch. I have a bunch of chains and some fabric slings for rigging to a crane or 'copter. I am curious to see plans or blueprints that might detail how this roof should be built. I'm also curious about where you'd build it, is this something that gets airlifted from Ray Brook (seems too far away), or from the Upper Works Road, or is it built at the peak? I can cut angle iron, etc and bolt things together. I'm not a certified welder, but I can arc weld a bit (I can't weld overhead) and I can braze like a champ. I also work for the DEC as an air pollution engineer, but I am not so sure that that would enhance anything on this project (maybe make it worse), but .... well, er .... you never know. I'd be interested in assisting on this task, but probably only if this is a brisk-paced get-it-done sort of momentum on the timeline. I'm suspecting that the build-up of the roof would occur for some weeks ahead of the actual lift, correct?

Just spent alot of time on the phone with the DEC and and now have the plans. Keep in mind, it was two "big picture" guys talking, and the nitty, gritty construction work is detail that is better left to the experts in that area. That said... I have the plans (and have forwarded then on to the construction manager).... from my non-technical eye, it seems quite straight forward and pretty simple. It's a 4-piece design that is riveted and bolted together. Most of the work is in the prefabbed metal (which we will probably have done for us at a metalshop - unless we have a metal worker handy :) ).

As for the prefab, and the project day...... we'll be drinking beer by 4 o'clock :cool:

Seriously, most of the work will be done up front (for the roof) and is pretty straight forward in the right hands. I did learn that the airlift location will be the airstrip at the mine on Upper Works Road. Part of the weekend project will require staging the material (roof and whatever else is needed) there for the airlift up top, which will take place sometime before May 15.

[randomscooter]

I thought we were just going to scrub off some graffiti and paint over some rusty bolts.

[Neil]

I thought we were just going to scrub off some graffiti and paint over some rusty bolts.
What do you think this is? RS cabin? :D

[Mavs00]

Date corrected.......... Dates are April 10-11.

[slamdog]

Most of the work is in the prefabbed metal (which we will probably have done for us at a metalshop - unless we have a metal worker handy :) ).

I think I can have all the metal work done without any cost to us. If any of you want, send me a PM with rough details, and I'll follow from there. My brother in law does all his own metal work for their commercial roofing jobs, and I'll be with him tomorrow. Just let me know. Any drawings could also be faxed to me. Shoot me a PM and I'll give you a fax number. Tx. Lance

[alistair]

Most of the work is in the prefabbed metal (which we will probably have done for us at a metalshop - unless we have a metal worker handy :) ).

I think I can have all the metal work done without any cost to us. If any of you want, send me a PM with rough details, and I'll follow from there. My brother in law does all his own metal work for their commercial roofing jobs, and I'll be with him tomorrow. Just let me know. Any drawings could also be faxed to me. Shoot me a PM and I'll give you a fax number. Tx. Lance

Sending you PM

[ward]

As of this moment i have nothing on the calendar for that weekend . So count me in for whatever i can be of service for.

[teejay]

For the work weekend. I'm a bit of a jack-of-all-trades. Will do what I can to help. It sounds like the sheet metal working is covered but I do have some light machine shop capabilities, if necessary.

teejay

[Mavs00]

Sounds good. Sounds like we have a nice little weekend set up. Alistair (with help) is setting up a materials list and working on the metal prefabbing. Looking good on this end.

Working on more lodging is we need it. I'm headed to Florida for the balance of the week, but will be "connected".

[flipflop]

Is that the cleaning week-end? I'm in for that, and if youse need girly skills, like making sandwiches and fetching drinks and telling youse what manly men ya'll are, I'm also in!:D

[muddybottom]

Hey All,

I'm definitely not what you would call skilled labor...but if you need a mule, gopher, etc., just let me know. :D Perhaps that is the next work party?

Looking forward to helping on this project...

[Prino]

I spent 18 years around machine shops so know how to drill a hole or two :)
If you need any more let me know!

[Mavs00]

Myself and the Chief (Mike) are in for working. I think Ward might be available as well, but waiting to hear. My brother in law is a commercial roofer, specializing in metal and rubber applications. I could probably get him to construct a standing seam metal roof that we could transport. He has been working in Massena on a job. If this is an interest, and anyone who has any specs could forward those to me, I can do some further checking. We have loads of 18V tools, compressors, trucks etc. Let me know how we can be of help. We're really looking forward to working on the project. L

We might need to take you up on this. Quotes for fabrication are coming in a little high. Perhaps you can get me off-channel and discuss it more. I have some plans.

[Neil]

Mavs is the boss on this entire project (meaning he does the least work and gets paid the most!) but regarding the clean-up:

We will have to wait until all of the construction is completed and all of the snow has melted. Then, someone will have to go up in advance to get a handle on the weight and volume of garbage and estimate the number of trips required to pack it all out.

The garbage will have to be packaged into tight loads which means cutting it up and wrapping it tight with plastic strapping or something so it will go on backpacks easily. I'm thinking of 25 pound loads and 40 pound loads.

Anyway, the clean-up "event" will probably not be until late May or even June.

And, most importantly we will have to figure out where to have the party afterwards!

[slamdog]

We might need to take you up on this. Quotes for fabrication are coming in a little high. Perhaps you can get me off-channel and discuss it more. I have some plans.

I'll send you a PM with some e mail addresses. I'm 99% sure we can get the fabrication work done with little to no cost. Heading back from Orlando Thursday and will be up to Speculator on Friday. L

[pete_hickey]

....Then, someone will have to go up in advance to get a handle on the weight and volume of garbage and estimate the number of trips required to pack it all out.....
Try to find metal pack frames, and attach a milk crate to them. Not only can the frame handle more weight, but with the crate, it can handle awkward sized pieces.


http://mudhead.uottawa.ca/~pete/tmpadk/jrpack5.jpg

http://mudhead.uottawa.ca/~pete/trailwork/Gothics/cables.html

You can even tie a garbage can onto one:


http://mudhead.uottawa.ca/~pete/jrpack.jpg

[Neil]

Try to find metal pack frames, and attach a milk crate to them.
You wouldn't happen to know from whom we can borrow a dozen or so of those would you by any chance?

I myself have a metal frame pack but I wonder how many people on the forum do.

[kwc]

You wouldn't happen to know from whom we can borrow a dozen or so of those would you by any chance?

I myself have a metal frame pack but I wonder how many people on the forum do.

Try the ADK ... we used these packs for trail work (even came with the milk crate!).

[ward]

Click on the following link to view slideshow: http://treehugger.myphotoalbum.com/slideshow.php?set_albumName=album01

[Snickers]

I have a nice Kelty metal frame pack that can be used to haul stuff out too, carries a heavy load very well.

If anyone needs it the weekend of the 10th let me know. Knew I was holding on to that for some reason. :)

Hopefully Brian and I will be able to join the next work weekend.

We are looking forward to seeing all for dinner Sat evening. BTW, what time would you like dinner served? Tim or Neil, send me a pm please.

Cindy

[alistair]

Click on the following link to view slideshow: http://treehugger.myphotoalbum.com/slideshow.php?set_albumName=album01

Nice pictures, but how about a trip report for your Friday hike?

[ward]

Boo! Made a wrong turn at Abequerque! Then thought i could be "Neil" for a day. Double boo! Found ourselves up to our waists in rotten snow two summits away from where we should have been. We could see the tower clearly but decided to bail as the terrain was too steep to continue. Met Slammy back at the observers cabin laughing his a$$ off.
So i saddled up my pack and headed for Calamity leanto . Spent the nite there, headed up to Marshall at the crack of dawn, came back and retrieved my pack and headed back to the parking lot for another try at Adams. This time on the correct path i easily made it to the tower. Took pictures and headed back down. Just about 150 feet down i heard someone clicking ski poles. Ran into a twenty something year old, bare booting who thought i was a bear. I chuckled about that all the way home. Got back at the ranch just about 5:30 where Slammy and Macey were sunburned and well lubricated after kayaking most of the afternoon. Go ahead beat me up I deserve it. Neil ....I'm not worthy!
Oh and Chief: sorry brother, i'll make it up to U.

[slamdog]

Nice report Wardy. I think you left the part out where I said, "you're going the wrong way", that was about 45 minutes into "Wards Whack". I have been in those before, and have learned from experience. I told Ward and the Chief they were way off track and turned around. I went back and found the trail for Adams and headed up. Trail was full of postholes. I was very surprised that Alistair would have hiked without his snowshoes. Up on the summit, I caught up with Alistair and three guys from the DEC. I didn't want to bring up the no showshoes thing.....causing Alistair trouble, until I learned that it was the guys from the DEC that hadn't brought snowshoes. Deepest postholes I've ever seen. Boy did they ever pay the price, I can't imagine barebooting that day. At times, I was in 30" of snow with my MSR's......Alistair beat feet and headed down for his drive back. I got to the old cabin, saw no new tracks in the snow and assumed my boys hadn't been smart enough to turn around. I sat back enjoying the sunshine, an apple, and some water when I heard voices. Sure enough it was Ward and the Chief rationalizing that they had a good hike and, well, were only two mountains away.....The Chief had gone to short sleeves during their whack. You should have seen his arms..pretty impressive, just covered in scratches. We headed back to cars, Wardy headed out again, and the Chief and I headed to camp. I kept remarking over and over on the ride back to camp how beautiful a day it was... but somehow the only thing the Chief could do was grumble and itch his arms.
On a serious note, the project appears to be a little more work than we had anticipated. The DEC will be getting to Alistair who can pass along information. They did say in some instances that they have been replacing some of the structutal steel in the first two levels. There is definitely wear and tear going on there now.The roof detail is, well, pretty detailed. Much work will have to be done up on the summit, and a max of four could be in the firetower at one point. We'll have to drill and bolt the galvanized once the roof is in place. Like I said, don't know the exacts yet, but it is more than anticipated. I know the thought was to get it fabricated and ready to install in April. I do not see that happening as of today.
Regardless, a spectacular day in the woods, only bested by the next days first adk paddle at camp! L

[Neil]

Then thought i could be "Neil" for a day. Double boo! Found ourselves up to our waists in rotten snow two summits away from where we should have been.
Go ahead beat me up I deserve it. Neil ....I'm not worthy!


Funny, that's never happened to me before. I specialize in walking east into a setting sun.

That spruce trap avatar pic was done with Photoshop.

[NumNum]

any new updates?

meeting time, place, food, beer, the essentials ya know...

[Snickers]

any new updates?

meeting time, place, food, beer, the essentials ya know...

Dinner Sat evening at the Jack Rabbit Hostel.

Facilities compliments of Tmax and Topogothics.

Dinner compliments of Snickers, Bushwacker, Mr. and Mrs. Yourdon Sr. (Brian Sr and Ruth).

Spaghetti, meatballs, bread, awesome homemade sauce with sasuage and plain sauce (vegan), coffee and tea.

Anyone have a big coffee urn??

Tim do you have a head count for us and what time would you like dinner?

Thanks - Cindy

[teejay]

Anyone have a big coffee urn??


I think so.

teejay

[adkdremn]

awesome homemade sauce with sasuage


I can vouch for that sauce....it is AWESOME. I had some at JBL a few years ago and it sure was tasty! Work up a big appetite, it'll be worth it.

[NumNum]

Dinner Sat evening Jack Rabbit Hostel.

Facilities compliments of Tmax and Topogothics.

Dinner compliments of Snickers, Bushwacker, Mr. and Mrs. Yourdon Sr. (Brian Sr and Ruth).

Spaghetti, meatballs, bread, awesome homemade sauce with sasuage and plain sauce (vegan), coffee and tea.

Anyone have a big coffee urn??

Tim do you have a head count for us and what time would you like dinner?

Thanks - Cindy

Thank you!

[Mavs00]

Not a firm one snickers. We'll have to start working on this. I'll post later tonight, but I think we'll have another plan for this weekend (it's still on), but after talking to alistair, I just think we need to adjust a bit.

For to follow in a few hours.

[Mavs00]

Okay all, here is what I have so far.

As of now, Alistair has participated in the inspection with the DEC, and it's his opinion that we should prepare the roof for assembly down low and actually assemble and secure while on site (it's a 4-piece design). He thinks that for safety sake, that will work best.

I need Ward and Slammy to email me ASAP, to try to set up the some fabrication. Perhaps a conference call this week with us and Alistair to pre-game it.

The weekend of the 10-11th, will be primarily a planning weekend. We'll start Saturday with a hike up to the tower for an on-site inspection, and look see. After that we'll head into town and have a planning and logistics meeting into the wee hours to determine timing, safety precautions and just about every other aspect of the actual restoration project. That can spill into Sunday if needed.

We'll also plan to nail down all of the material and getting them to the lift site. Any and all are welcome that planned on attending, but obviously the most important thing we'll be to have as many people involved in the eventual work project there. This will give everyone an on-site visual overview, and then make sure we're all on the same page when it comes to getting the work done.

Alistair will be the project leader and we'll be following his lead.

Does this sound like what we discussed Alistair?

Oh yeah, let's get a headcount for Cindy.

Mavs - 1, Alistair -2 (add as appropriate below).

[ward]

I.m in, as i'm sure Slammy is also.

[NumNum]

I'm in, maybe I can stand around and take pictures, either way I need the exercise.

[Mavs00]

I'm in, maybe I can stand around and take pictures, either way I need the exercise.

That makes 5.

[ADKJack]

I am in for sure

[teejay]

Me too. But I ain't carrying the coffee pot up there.

teejay

[slamdog]

I was up with Alistair and the DEC staff. I've only been to about 8 towers, but this one was in the poorest condition. I think I had mentioned when I was down on the second level the DEC guys were talking about replacing the actual structural steel.... they were to get back to Alistair.....have they yet? I think our biggest concern was the steel on the top for structural stability, as well as their talk of riveting vs. bolting. Alistair also mentioned the significant cost of galvanized, which I had forgotten. I'm in for the weekend, and will make sure Ward goes the right way this time.......this project reminds me somewhat of when I started caulking a bathtub in my first house, only to find out the entire wall was shot.......
Brother in law (comm roofing) back from cruise tomorrow so will get his input as well. L

[Neil]

this project reminds me somewhat of when I started caulking a bathtub in my first house, only to find out the entire wall was shot...Had a few loose tiles in my bathroom shower. Ended up gutting and re-doing entire bathroom. Looks good now!

[slamdog]

Ward and I spoke this past weekend about the upcoming trip to the firetower. Has anyone heard anything from DEC as far as updated specs? Do we know if the frame that supports the roof above the "half walls" is still there, somewhere in the snow maybe? Are the guide wires going to be relaced?
As far as Saturday, what time do we want to meet at the trailhead? Just looking for updates so we can be as productive as possible. Any updates appreciated. L

[Mavs00]

Ward and I spoke this past weekend about the upcoming trip to the firetower. Has anyone heard anything from DEC as far as updated specs? Do we know if the frame that supports the roof above the "half walls" is still there, somewhere in the snow maybe? Are the guide wires going to be relaced?
As far as Saturday, what time do we want to meet at the trailhead? Just looking for updates so we can be as productive as possible. Any updates appreciated. L

Sounds like a question for Alistair. I don't know the answers. He might though. I have not spoke to the DEC since then.

I think 8:30ish is a fair time to get started. Sound about right?

[alistair]

Ward and I spoke this past weekend about the upcoming trip to the firetower. Has anyone heard anything from DEC as far as updated specs? Do we know if the frame that supports the roof above the "half walls" is still there, somewhere in the snow maybe? Are the guide wires going to be relaced?
As far as Saturday, what time do we want to meet at the trailhead? Just looking for updates so we can be as productive as possible. Any updates appreciated. L

As far as I see, the frame of the tower is good, and hopefully will hold a new roof.

[looncry]

As far as I see, the frame of the tower is good, and hopefully will hold a new roof.

Please keep the Forum updated on progress.Also,have enough donations come in for thr project to get underway? Looncry

[slamdog]

Sounds like a question for Alistair. I don't know the answers. He might though. I have not spoke to the DEC since then.

I think 8:30ish is a fair time to get started. Sound about right?

Ward and I will be there by then. If we get walking before you get there, we'll leave a note on the car (civic w/ 46er sticker). L

[alistair]

Sounds like a question for Alistair. I don't know the answers. He might though. I have not spoke to the DEC since then.

I think 8:30ish is a fair time to get started. Sound about right?

How about a later start for those who have a distance to travel?
A 10am start and 1-1/2 hour hike puts us on top for lunch.

[Mavs00]

How about a later start for those who have a distance to travel?
A 10am start and 1-1/2 hour hike puts us on top for lunch.

Okay, let's plan for a 11:30 AM inspection/lunch meeting at the tower (someone bring a camera). This will also allow all of us to judge the time we need to get up and take our sweet (or not so sweet) time to get up in time for the meeting). Weather permitting, will then do an inspection with our construction people and the plans to determine whatever it is that we'll need to do as far as safety considerations, assembly and all those other funs things we need to nail down.

Then we'll go down, drive up to the Hostel and have a planning meeting where we will begin to lay out all the project details, timelines, needs, responsibilities, ect....

After this weekend, we should be much more advanced on how to tackle this puppy. This sound like a plan?

[Mavs00]

P.S. If you want to be in on the Tower inspection part PM me. We will maintain a STRICT limit to remains in compliance with the DEC regs. ;)

Thanks.

[Laurie Rankin]

Thanks in advance for all for the work this upcoming weekend. Wish I could be there. Thanks to Tmax and Topo, Cindy and Brian and family for the support crew for food and soft seats to plan around as well.

I do remember the last Fire Tower Observers reunion that I went to with my Dad included a brief video clip about the need for guy wires or not. It was a study done that's conclusion basically stated that the steel needs to "sway" in the breeze, much less stress than when firmly held in place with the guy wires which causes stress fractures in certain places on the steel. I am certainly not an engineer, but I remember seeing this video and all 5 restored fire towers in the Catskill park were restored sans guy wires.

Again, thanks for all everyone is doing this weekend. Have fun!

[alistair]

To those planning to attend this planning meeting ...... I will be at the trailhead 10am, if you want to join me in the climb.

[muddybottom]

Thanks, everyone, for all your hard work. I so wish we could be there with you....I have to work. :whip: As my grandfather loved to say, "I'd quit a job like that!" :razz:

Anyway, let us know when you need "mules." I am certainly qualified to help in that capacity! ;)

[Neil]

I'm probably going to start earlier than that. If I post-hole up to my waste every step of the way you'll catch up soon enough.

[Mavs00]

I don't need my snowshoes do I? Wasn't planning on bringing them?

[Cory D]

I'd be careful with the footing on the lake Jimmy bridges..they might be floating a bit. Every now an then some idiot falls in..

[Neil]

I don't need my snowshoes do I? Wasn't planning on bringing them?
I'm bringing my 48 inch Algonquin catguts. :eek:

On Colvin last Saturday the snow started at about 2000 feet and was 3-4 feet deep by 3000 feet.
I'd be careful with the footing on the lake Jimmy bridges..they might be floating a bit. Every now an then some idiot falls in..
A person would have to be a total moron to fall into Lake Jimmy. Hmmmm should I bring my life jacket?

[Cory D]

A person would have to be a total moron to fall into Lake Jimmy. Hmmmm should I bring my life jacket?
Depends..do you have extra?

[alistair]

I'm bringing my 48 inch Algonquin catguts. :eek:

On Colvin last Saturday the snow started at about 2000 feet and was 3-4 feet deep by 3000 feet.

A person would have to be a total moron to fall into Lake Jimmy. Hmmmm should I bring my life jacket?

I'll call the coast guard

[Mavs00]

Success, more to come.

[looncry]

Success, more to come.

Eagerly waiting to hear about the day at restoring the tower.:) Looncry